What advantages does a full size auto offer?

No name calling from me, but which aspect of “simple physics” would that be?
It's a good question. The most simple way to answer it is, mass.

A heavier slide, with a longer stroke, works better. It requires less power from the recoil spring. This will allow it to be reliably functional with more types of loads. The mass of the frame and slide together will make a more solid base for the action to operate with. This reduces the chance of a shooter induced malfunction.

This is not an absolute statement. There is a tipping point where a slide becomes too massive and then the opposite is true, but a gun like that would be very unpopular because it would be very heavy.

The smaller the slide, the more strength needed in the recoil spring. As this strength increases, the more effort needed by the operator and the round used. Also, as the mass of the gun goes down, the more likely it will be for a shooter induced malfunction.

Again, nothing is absolute. I'm talking about probability. If we took two guns of the same type and manufacture, and fired them until they failed, the shorter barrel/slide guns will fail first at a higher rate than the longer barrel/slide guns. If we did this experiment with 10 shooters, we would see a normal distribution of results. In other words, one or two of the shooters would have the larger gun fail first, but the rest would have the smaller gun fail first.

People tend to get all bent out of shape over discussions like this, but it's true. Go to any shooting school or range and watch people shoot. Across the spectrum of experience, you'll see the small guns have malfunctions at a higher rate than larger guns.
 
Full sized autos are generally more reliable. The barrels have to tilt less for the slide to cycle and they don't have nested recoil springs. You also don't need to replace the recoil springs as often (if at all).
 
The only advantage to a smaller auto would be that you are willing to carry it at home whereas you might not a full size auto, but once in hand, I give pretty much every advantage to the full size pistol and that is what I would greatly prefer if someone was kicking in my door.
 
If I was face-to-face with a bad guy and had the option of magically having any gun from my history in my hand at the crucial moment, it would be, without doubt, a well worn full-size single stack solid steel 1911. The very same gun I shot loose after many years of IPSC competition. In my wrinkled hands that gun can out-shoot any other when both sheer speed and pinpoint accuracy is of the essence.
 
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If I was face-to-face with a bad guy and had the option of magically having any gun from my history in my hand at the crucial moment, it would be, without doubt, a well worn full-size single stack solid steel 1911. The very same gun I shot loose after may years of IPSC competition. In my wrinkled hands that gun can outshoot any other when both sheer speed and pinpoint accuracy is of the essence.

I like that despite the fact that I wouldn't use a 1911 for anything but a paperweight. I like that because the point is that it's the gun the gentleman shoots best with - a VERY important point.

As a general thing I prefer revolvers and for home defense that's usually what I have available. I LIKE them. I can shoot them well. That's not to say I can't shoot my pistols well, too, but I just LIKE wheelguns. However, as full size pistols go, I have my share and, presently, a fully loaded Beretta 92 is hidden in my living room. High capacity, easy to shoot, I LIKE it.

Neither need nor want have anything to do with it. Personal preference ranks way up there with me. For the house, I LIKE large guns. Carrying them is not the point for me because I don't do that with large guns.
 
I'd like to second what others have said here, particularly Rastoff. I've spent more than 40 years now making a living wearing and using guns as a cop, firearms trainer, range and gun shop owner, writer and competitor all at different points in time. I've also been involved in agency acceptance trials for multiple handguns.

What I have found is that among modern firearms types, each type on the market generally exists for a different reason and different requirements. For example, the Shield, which is a great pistol, and in my opinion one of the very best slim 9mm subcompacts along with the Walther PPS , was designed with a particular set of parameters in mind. To the engineers, the priority on that class of gun is concealable size, comfort for daily wear, combat levels of accuracy as opposed to match grade performance, and reliability under normal conditions.

The company has made the assumption that the little gun will be carried under generally normal concealed conditions by a civilian or an off-duty cop, where it must be reliable with a lack of lubrication, or exposure to lint and dust, but the job does not call for use under "battlefield conditions". Price is also a consideration, especially for a handgun to be purchased by an end user rather than a tax funded agency. Overall, S&W has done a very good job of designing this pistol for its intended audience.

By contrast, let's look at a full-sized law enforcement or military duty sidearm. It must be relatively easy for a wide variety of people at different skill levels to shoot with limited training. Since it may well be the only weapon an officer has in his possession when encountering multiple threats, it requires a higher magazine capacity than the little Shield you tuck in your waistband. It may also need to be shot at longer distances than the average private citizen is likely to encounter in a parking lot mugging. Even if compact, it may well be required to use larger magazines from the officer's service pistol if used as a backup weapon.

If it has been submitted as a military sidearm, it is expected to function under extremes of temperature, in dirt and mud, and lately in sand. It may very well be shot more than a CCW piece, and must survive that use, as well as potential misuse and abuse by minimally trained staff. It may very well require interchangeable back straps to accommodate different hand sizes with the same pistol. It may need a modular design allowing for repair by a unit level armorer.

All of these things are MUCH easier to design into a physically larger pistol. And in the pistol intended for military or police use, these factors will normally take precedence over considerations of concealable size, lighter weight, or lower price. While all mechanical devices will eventually fail, Rastoff is 100% correct that a consumer-grade subcompact pistol will likely fail earlier than a service weapon designed for hostile environment use. Will this likely be an issue for normal people who use the consumer product as intended? Probably not.

Then there is the issue of the caliber of the gun. Each handgun caliber, in my experience, has a "natural home" as I call it, a size of handgun it performs best from. For example, years of experience have taught me that for most folks, a .45 ACP requires a full sized grip, and is probably at its best in a heavier pistol. Some disagree. The .40 is great in a mid-sized pistol that was designed for it (same for the .357 SIG) but in smaller guns not so much. And the 9mm can be controlled effectively by most people in a pistol the size of a Shield, for most situations, even though it also works well in larger, heavier handguns.

As another member correctly commented, there are very real differences in how a shooter may perform when using a more compact, lighter gun as opposed to something with just a bit more size and weight. For a given caliber, larger heavier guns will usually have less felt recoil, less muzzle flip, and will be a bit more forgiving of shooter error than the small compacts. Few people understand this, because very few people test themselves under realistic conditions and while comparing guns, and fewer still have any idea of what they actually need to be able to hit, practicing on targets the size of a barn, when in fact the actual vital area of a human is the size of a piece of notebook paper.

All of this matters, but few seem to think about these things when they choose a defense pistol. There are issues beyond convenience. Remember, you are launching deadly projectiles into areas that may also contain innocent bystanders, so you must not miss, even under pressure. I personally think that in the quest to give the inexperienced consumer what they think they want, some manufacturers have gone overboard in trying to provide the smallest, lightest autopistol that will sell to everyone, but that only a few experts can shoot worth a damn under pressure. From my observations, Smith and Wesson avoided this pitfall with the Shield. But if you go much smaller than that, you are in the territory of an "experts only" pistol. Recently I watched a video the other day where a guy shot his brand new SIG P365 at an 8.5 x 11 inch piece of copy paper at 10 yards, and clean missed it with four out of ten shots once he had to shoot under pressure. He thought that was good enough, and it just isn't. He was completely focused on how small and light the pistol was, and completely unconcerned that under no life and death stress, he had just missed with 40% of his shots. Had he run the exact same drill with something just a bit larger and heavier, I'm betting his outcome would have been better.

So there are many reasons why one might choose a somewhat larger pistol instead of the smaller one. You may not "need" more than one, but the one you choose should be tailored to your level of skill, your requirements, and your mission. That's why we still have so many different guns available to us.
 
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I won’t waste board space by quoting OldCop876’s informative and well reasoned post above. I’ll simply agree with him. Around the house I prefer a full size pistol or revolver for a reasons related to handling and ease of use:
1. I don’t have a “hanging pinkie “ and have a full solid grip on the pistol.
2. The sight radius is longer so I am better able to take advantage of the pistol’s inherent accuracy.
3. The slide on a pistol is easier to grasp because there is more surface area. (Counterbalances fine motor control loss under stress)
4. The control surfaces - safety, decoocker, slide release- are larger.
5. I really have no reason to conceal around the house.

For me personally a compact or larger size pistol or a K frame meets these requirements.
 
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simple reply:
more guns = more better :)

My full size Beretta 92FS , big gun 17+1
I shoot it like a champ. It allows me to put "lots of lead" at center mass , very quickly.
PX4 Storm Compact , "slim like a tank" :) same report as the 92FS + lots of fun

Retired my Shield for a 2.0 Compact
EDC - love it 15+1 , once again "lots of lead" at center mass very quickly.

moral of the story , bigger isnt always better , but more is always better!

the more you have , the more time you need to spend at the range becoming proficient.
like most here , the range is one of my favorite places. great people , great times , great stories.
 
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I'd like to second what others have said here, particularly Rastoff. I've spent more than 40 years now making a living wearing and using guns as a cop, firearms trainer, range and gun shop owner, writer and competitor all at different points in time. I've also been involved in agency acceptance trials for multiple handguns.

What I have found is that among modern firearms types, each type on the market generally exists for a different reason and different requirements. For example, the Shield, which is a great pistol, and in my opinion one of the very best slim 9mm subcompacts along with the Walther PPS , was designed with a particular set of parameters in mind. To the engineers, the priority on that class of gun is concealable size, comfort for daily wear, combat levels of accuracy as opposed to match grade performance, and reliability under normal conditions.

The company has made the assumption that the little gun will be carried under generally normal concealed conditions by a civilian or an off-duty cop, where it must be reliable with a lack of lubrication, or exposure to lint and dust, but the job does not call for use under "battlefield conditions". Price is also a consideration, especially for a handgun to be purchased by an end user rather than a tax funded agency. Overall, S&W has done a very good job of designing this pistol for its intended audience.

By contrast, let's look at a full-sized law enforcement or military duty sidearm. It must be relatively easy for a wide variety of people at different skill levels to shoot with limited training. Since it may well be the only weapon an officer has in his possession when encountering multiple threats, it requires a higher magazine capacity than the little Shield you tuck in your waistband. It may also need to be shot at longer distances than the average private citizen is likely to encounter in a parking lot mugging. Even if compact, it may well be required to use larger magazines from the officer's service pistol if used as a backup weapon.

If it has been submitted as a military sidearm, it is expected to function under extremes of temperature, in dirt and mud, and lately in sand. It may very well be shot more than a CCW piece, and must survive that use, as well as potential misuse and abuse by minimally trained staff. It may very well require interchangeable back straps to accommodate different hand sizes with the same pistol. It may need a modular design allowing for repair by a unit level armorer.

All of these things are MUCH easier to design into a physically larger pistol. And in the pistol intended for military or police use, these factors will normally take precedence over considerations of concealable size, lighter weight, or lower price. While all mechanical devices will eventually fail, Rastoff is 100% correct that a consumer-grade subcompact pistol will likely fail earlier than a service weapon designed for hostile environment use. Will this likely be an issue for normal people who use the consumer product as intended? Probably not.

Then there is the issue of the caliber of the gun. Each handgun caliber, in my experience, has a "natural home" as I call it, a size of handgun it performs best from. For example, years of experience have taught me that for most folks, a .45 ACP requires a full sized grip, and is probably at its best in a heavier pistol. Some disagree. The .40 is great in a mid-sized pistol that was designed for it (same for the .357 SIG) but in smaller guns not so much. And the 9mm can be controlled effectively by most people in a pistol the size of a Shield, for most situations, even though it also works well in larger, heavier handguns.

As another member correctly commented, there are very real differences in how a shooter may perform when using a more compact, lighter gun as opposed to something with just a bit more size and weight. For a given caliber, larger heavier guns will usually have less felt recoil, less muzzle flip, and will be a bit more forgiving of shooter error than the small compacts. Few people understand this, because very few people test themselves under realistic conditions and while comparing guns, and fewer still have any idea of what they actually need to be able to hit, practicing on targets the size of a barn, when in fact the actual vital area of a human is the size of a piece of notebook paper.

All of this matters, but few seem to think about these things when they choose a defense pistol. There are issues beyond convenience. Remember, you are launching deadly projectiles into areas that may also contain innocent bystanders, so you must not miss, even under pressure. I personally think that in the quest to give the inexperienced consumer what they think they want, some manufacturers have gone overboard in trying to provide the smallest, lightest autopistol that will sell to everyone, but that only a few experts can shoot worth a damn under pressure. From my observations, Smith and Wesson avoided this pitfall with the Shield. But if you go much smaller than that, you are in the territory of an "experts only" pistol. Recently I watched a video the other day where a guy shot his brand new SIG P365 at an 8.5 x 11 inch piece of copy paper at 10 yards, and clean missed it with four out of ten shots once he had to shoot under pressure. He thought that was good enough, and it just isn't. He was completely focused on how small and light the pistol was, and completely unconcerned that under no life and death stress, he had just missed with 40% of his shots. Had he run the exact same drill with something just a bit larger and heavier, I'm betting his outcome would have been better.

So there are many reasons why one might choose a somewhat larger pistol instead of the smaller one. You may not "need" more than one, but the one you choose should be tailored to your level of skill, your requirements, and your mission. That's why we still have so many different guns available to us.

That is the most comprehensive and concise explanation I have ever read on the subject of purpose driven firearm caliber/size selection. Thank you.
 
Almost all of my handguns are full sized service pistols. Beretta 92's, 5 inch 1911's, SIG P220, 4 inch revolvers, that sort of thing. And, those are the guns that get carried 90 percent of the time.

For the time's I can't strap on the full size 45's, I still carry a small pistol that has adequate capacity and a full grip.

Reliability is key for me. Small guns are just not as reliable as big ones. And more bullets are better.
 
BlackTalon pegged it right away: full-size provides a longer sight radius and increased recoil control; both improving your ability to hit what you're shooting at, where you want to hit it. And for an auto, magazine capacity though a 1911 in 45 still leaves you with just 7+1.

For concealed carry it is the GRIP that is the hardest part of a pistol to hide; not the barrel length.

I'm not a fan of Glocks, for example, because of their lack of safety features. But the time years ago that I shot a 5 shot Chief against a 17+1 shot Glock 19 made it clear which I'd have to grab if I were really going to come under fire. I suppose, then, from a holster maker's perspective only, that a 17 with a 19 frame but a 17 mag would be worthwhile; for the increased sight radius but reduced lump for concealing (it's actually the magazine end not being flat and round that makes 'em hard to hide; think Fuzzy Farrant grips on a revolver).
 
Ultimately, you don't need a larger gun. My bedside gun for 20 years was a Colt Police Positive Special revolver, and I only changed recently because I decided night sights would be a good idea. But why settle with only the Shield when you can can easily have a much larger gun (to include a shotgun or rifle) as your bedside gun?

FWIW, I also carry a much larger gun than the Shield - I have a J frame in my pocket all day, every day, but when I leave the house I add a 4" semi or revolver on my belt. Lately it's been a full sized HK USP .40, but most of the time it's my 4" S&W M29.

Much like my USP that I got for a killer deal, I recommend you shop for a full size police trade-in .40 - I recently got a SIG P226 for $300 and that HK for under $400. There are screaming deals on very nice handguns because all the agencies are switching back to 9mm to placate the smaller handed members of their teams.
 
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