I remember buying 4 ten round magazines for my 2 Glock pistols. I told myself that I'd use them for practice and keep the 15 round magazines for serious stuff. That is what I did until '04. I still have those magazines and sometimes use the G19 variants with 115 gr. JHP ammo for IWB carry. I normally stoke the 19 with 15 147 gr. ammo but that's too much weight for IWB. I think it's a good compromise.
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??
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When the AWB went in to effect I was a few months from my 22nd birthday... fully immersed in the hobby but with the bankroll of a typical guy of that age. I got to shoot issued M-16's once a year at the SAFS at Camp Perry and enjoyed the experience but definitely not so much that I wanted one, so I never considered one before or during.
I grew up reading every issue of Guns & Ammo cover to cover, twice. It was probably Jeff Cooper that made me a card-carrying "crunchenticker" hater. Double stack hi-cap pistols were something I snarked at, almost as if you "only needed all that ammo because 9mm sucked or you couldn't hit your target..."
Even so, the impending doom made me want to buy a handgun that I had very little interest in. While I probably should have went after a 5906, the "handgun editor" of Guns & Ammo at time, Jan Libourel, had me quite convinced that a Taurus PT-92/99 was the most bang for the buck, so that's what I bought.
I never enjoyed that pistol for a number of years until I finally decided to handload my own 9mm for it, and I've honestly liked it ever since. I rarely shoot it anymore... but I do put a ridiculous volume of 9mm through my many S&W pistols nowadays.
When you are staring down horrible legislation, it doesn't feel at all like a "period of time", it honestly feels like -FOREVER- and heck yes, it warps your perception.
I grew up reading every issue of Guns & Ammo cover to cover, twice. It was probably Jeff Cooper that made me a card-carrying "crunchenticker" hater. Double stack hi-cap pistols were something I snarked at, almost as if you "only needed all that ammo because 9mm sucked or you couldn't hit your target..."
Even so, the impending doom made me want to buy a handgun that I had very little interest in. While I probably should have went after a 5906, the "handgun editor" of Guns & Ammo at time, Jan Libourel, had me quite convinced that a Taurus PT-92/99 was the most bang for the buck, so that's what I bought.
I never enjoyed that pistol for a number of years until I finally decided to handload my own 9mm for it, and I've honestly liked it ever since. I rarely shoot it anymore... but I do put a ridiculous volume of 9mm through my many S&W pistols nowadays.
When you are staring down horrible legislation, it doesn't feel at all like a "period of time", it honestly feels like -FOREVER- and heck yes, it warps your perception.
okiegtrider
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I still carry that one around every day too. That's why it was so handy to nab a pic when I read the OP.
31FordA
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I was in college when the ban was passed. The day after the vote I called up and ordered twenty five unissued 15rd M-1 Carbine mags plus five 30rd mags. I think I paid $5 a piece for the 15rd mags and $8 for the 30rd mags. When they arrived a few days later I checked to make sure I got what I ordered, sealed the box back up, and put it in my closet. The box is still there, untouched since 1994. I already had dozens of mags when I ordered the extra's, and USGI M-1 mags last a long time.
I was talking with some young guys at the range recently and referred to a rifle (Colt HBar) as "pre ban". They didn't know what I was talking about. I explained the ban to them, they couldn't believe there was a law like that. I couldn't believe how old that conversation made me feel.
I was talking with some young guys at the range recently and referred to a rifle (Colt HBar) as "pre ban". They didn't know what I was talking about. I explained the ban to them, they couldn't believe there was a law like that. I couldn't believe how old that conversation made me feel.
LVSteve
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I arrived from England in the middle of that nonsense. Even with my limited firearms knowledge back then it seemed dumb to exclude things based on features that in no way affect the operation or lethality of the weapon. The long term result of that period is that there are now several states where my boss knows that no matter what the requirement, don't bother asking me.
BigBill
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After one of the ammo shortages I think after the first one the 7.62x29 was $59 for 1,000 rds for Russian Barnaul fmj ammo at Sportsman's guide. They seem to be the best at supporting our hobby. The ranout of Barnaul and offered wolf ammo in its place.
When the Chinese norinco ammo was offered the first cases were paper wrapped tied with string three strippers with 10 rds each. Then came the norinco yellow box, green box, the silver box was the last of it. It was just before clintons ban on importing Chinese products.
The sks's were about to soar between $750/$1,000 when the import of the Yugoslav sks arrived. This was advertised as the finest quality built sks, but no chrome lined bores. The bore diameter is different than the rest. It ran larger. It was .3115" on some of them. Now take your .308" to .310" bullets it made for a inaccurate sks. The Albanian sks was here before the Yugoslav, again the claim was they were the best. Right now there's the North Korean sks which is around $3,000+++. Silly isn't it. I stuck through thick and thin with my $59 norinco sks. Spending $3k for an sks that's three n frame s&w revolvers, well close.
My very first c&r surplus military rifle was a Turkish m38 8mm Mauser from aim surplus for $39.95.
When the Chinese norinco ammo was offered the first cases were paper wrapped tied with string three strippers with 10 rds each. Then came the norinco yellow box, green box, the silver box was the last of it. It was just before clintons ban on importing Chinese products.
The sks's were about to soar between $750/$1,000 when the import of the Yugoslav sks arrived. This was advertised as the finest quality built sks, but no chrome lined bores. The bore diameter is different than the rest. It ran larger. It was .3115" on some of them. Now take your .308" to .310" bullets it made for a inaccurate sks. The Albanian sks was here before the Yugoslav, again the claim was they were the best. Right now there's the North Korean sks which is around $3,000+++. Silly isn't it. I stuck through thick and thin with my $59 norinco sks. Spending $3k for an sks that's three n frame s&w revolvers, well close.
My very first c&r surplus military rifle was a Turkish m38 8mm Mauser from aim surplus for $39.95.
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shamrocker
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I had bought a case, (I think it was 30 mags) of 25 round mags for ruger 10-22's a few years before, they were some off brand and would give up after a 1000 rounds or so but they were cheep and I doled them out to my boys one at a time. After the ban I went to a gun show and they were selling for 50 bucks each............no brainer I went home got the case or what was still in it and went back and sold them all in about an hour. bought a AR, never had wanted one but had to have it. sheese
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I remember when there were only a handful of Yugo SKS rifles in the country (like 100 or so). IIRC they had been brought in by KBI or American Arms? Anyways, I recall one bringing something in the neighborhood for $4-4.5k about 15 years ago. The flood gates opened on those guns soon after that.
Arik
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7.62x39 is .312. in actuality bullet diameter is 7.92. There were never .308 SKS and Yugo is no different. Although it will vary slightly from country to country no SKS were .308. If there were barrels would open up quickly..... squeezing a .310 - .312 bullet through a .308 barrel. Mosin and AK are the same.....7.92mm. 7.62x54 was a derivative of the 8x52R Mannlicher
.308 is a western bullet dimension. The closest to .308 eastern Europe had was the 7.62x25 Tokarev, which measured 7.82.
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I gave up carrying my much loved P220 because of capacity and because I found a much smaller pistol with 10+1. It was a Taurus PT-145. Yeah that was my first thought too but the guy who owns the closest LGS to my house spent several days convincing me to give one a try. The price was insanely good and he gave me a 30 day, no questions asked try out period. I thought I really couldn't go wrong with a deal like that.
Much to my surprise that Taurus shot with amazing accuracy and it still to this day has never had a feeding issue or failure of any kind. And I've put at least 5000 rounds through it. It wouldn't shoot accurately as far as my Sig but it did great to 25 yards. And I can hide it in the palm of my hand.
Then there was the fact it was a double stack that was not thicker than most single stack pistols. I've wondered if was really a TARDIS instead of a Taurus (bigger on the inside than on the outside - Dr. Who thing).
I love that little pistol to this day. I no longer carry it concealed because of the recall but I keep it under the place I sleep for instant access. I have a laser mounted on it which is zeroed perfectly and has been for many years.
I went with an even bigger capacity pistol for CCW (Springfield XDm in .40 - 16+1). But that Taurus was much easier to carry on the waistband. I use a shoulder holster for the SA.
People malign Taurus a lot and they deserve a lot of it. But sometimes they build a real winner. They would buy back my PT-145 right now if I chose to sell it. But the thing is crazy accurate and reliable as heck. And yes I have dropped it without any issues. I won't carry it where I might drop it again just to be on the safe side. But just as an example I hit 2 .45 casings at 20 yards on the first shot with that pistol. I also put 11 rounds in a 8" target at 25 yards in 10 seconds. It has the best follow up shots of any big bore pistol I ever shot. I wouldn't sell it for double what I paid for it.
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BigBill
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The ruger mini 30 had a .308" bore and it shot 7.62 x 39 ammo. Larger bullet. One must be careful with what diameter bullet in which 7.62 x 39 gun.
Sorry clintons did it and I still hate their juts.......Glad it sunsetted.........
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Not being a fan of plastic guns or the .223, I did buy a Ruger mini14, stainless with wood stock. I may have shot 2 boxes of ammo since 94 and I really don't know why I keep it.
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I remember silliness that accomplished nothing, except photo opps for Clinton and Feinstein.
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Ugh!!! PTSD-Agida, man that's bad. I was an 01 FFL, summer of '94 selling off S&W and Ruger Sixguns to get any "wondernines" available-now. All the guns had one mag already, and marked as such on the box, they knew. Sold everything and then September, winter came early. $150 Glock mags, AR mags over $75 a pop. "Thumbhole buttstocks" yuk. I did sell battlefield pickup Egyptian Maadi AK's for triple. Cobray M11 (closed bolt type) for $375 that I got for $165. KY Imports in Kentucky had "new, old stock" model 27's for $229, but who wanted those. At the end of 1995, after LLoyd Bentsen's "assault" on dealers, I was persuaded to "not renew" my FFL by a particularly nasty ATF agent from the Tampa office. All these years later and it still brings on wild anxiety. Joe
In the months before the ban went into effect......stopping at a local police supply house and buying 2-3 hicap Beretta mags a visit at $15 a mag........ they had like 5000 in the basement.......AR mags were even less.......... 99% of their business was Departmental...... so selling me 25-30- 
was no skin off their bottom line....
was no skin off their bottom line....I would really love to hear mire about this, and detailed REAL experiences. In this thread or in another thread.
I remember a Federal firearms instructor assisting some of his people at our range. He became an instant expert concerning the higher-cap LE magazines his people were using. He told them they had to be careful and not lose them, as they would have to sign to turn them in at the end of their LE service and would have a problem if unable to do so.
I remember magazine articles touting pistol-caliber lever action rifles as acceptable SA rifle substitutes.
I also remember the 1992 SA rifle ban in NYC which pre-dated the Federal legislation. SA owners had to change the registration of, and move, their longarms to addresses outside of NYC.
Kaaskop49
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P.S. BTW, those 10 round magazines need not go to waste. They can be used at range practice and I have read of a handgun match that requires 10 round capacity only.
I remember magazine articles touting pistol-caliber lever action rifles as acceptable SA rifle substitutes.
I also remember the 1992 SA rifle ban in NYC which pre-dated the Federal legislation. SA owners had to change the registration of, and move, their longarms to addresses outside of NYC.
Kaaskop49
Shield #5103
P.S. BTW, those 10 round magazines need not go to waste. They can be used at range practice and I have read of a handgun match that requires 10 round capacity only.
OP
+1, I would as well
