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Many of you are hunters, fisherman, etc like me. A friend called me last night to let me know a small bear showed up in his back yard, ate from his birdfeeder then climbed a tree and took a nap. He lives in a residential neighborhood.
Eight local police officers show up in his back yard, one knocks the bear out of the tree with a 12 ga slug and has to shoot it two more times to kill it. They inform him he is not to film anything, nothing on facebook, and ask him for a bed sheet to wrap the carcass in. When he refuses they ask to drive their truck around his house to the back yard to pick up the bear, again he says no. Rumor has it (unconfirmed) they killed the mother bear the same way two weeks earlier and were looking for this one since.
I have nothing against the police, but I think it could have been handled better by the state F&W service.
 
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Please allow me to call BS on this "friend of a friend" story.

Too many...actually, way too many..suspicious elements. :(

I will, however, supply a case of beer if the story is wholly true, as stated. :)

Be safe.
 
This friend is a co-worker of mine for the last three years and not known as a bs'er. This story is backed up word for word by his wife, brother, and doctor that lives across the street. As for the rumor about the mother bear killed earlier, that information comes from a member of the same police department.
 
Many of you are hunters, fisherman, etc like me. A friend called me last night to let me know a small bear showed up in his back yard, ate from his birdfeeder then climbed a tree and took a nap. He lives in a residential neighborhood.
Eight local police officers show up in his back yard, one knocks the bear out of the tree with a 12 ga slug and has to shoot it two more times to kill it. They inform him he is not to film anything, nothing on facebook, and ask him for a bed sheet to wrap the carcass in. When he refuses they ask to drive their truck around his house to the back yard to pick up the bear, again he says no. Rumor has it (unconfirmed) they killed the mother bear the same way two weeks earlier and were looking for this one since.
I have nothing against the police, but I think it could have been handled better by the state F&W service.

Sounds to me like a clear case of why we need to continue the fight for the right to arm bears.
 
At least they followed Robert Ruark's advice to Use Enough Gun, not some underpowered pistol cartridge...

It's pretty much a lose-lose proposition for bears that wander into urban areas, and the "authorities", whomever they may be.

Urban cops have no particular training or less-than-lethal tools to deal with a bear, even a juvenile bear. Wildlife agencies typically have very sparse assets such as tranquilizer guns, and personnel trained and OK'd to use the "controlled substances" involved, and seldom can provide a rapid response to these sorts of calls. Even when they do, there's not always a happy ending ---

One summer, years ago, a juvenile (+/- two year old) black bear somehow meandered way out of its natural habitat, into suburban Mesa, AZ, and into someone's backyard. Cops were called, cops called Game & Fish, reporters monitoring the police chatter picked up on this, TV crews and choppers converged, Game & Fish tranqued the cub, loaded it into a pickup, and transported it to a suitable release site, reporters in tow. Bear didn't make it, went Tango Uniform while tape was rolling, became the little lost darling on the five o'clock news. (Cue violins, behind "outraged" editorializing and arched eyebrows...) The department's PR guy told me that he never took so much flack from any other incident as from that unfortunate escapade --- said his phone rang off the hook for several days, with little old ladies chewing him out in not very little-old-lady-like language, and etc. Explanations that the bear was already stressed by drought-caused malnutrition, excessive heat (it was in triple digit temps that this occurred...), etc., fell on deaf ears. He said one woman, who he credited with a very vivid imagination, scolded the department for not distributing food to the hapless bears, so as to keep them out of jeapordy by entering urban environments --- she proposed establishing a sort of Maginot Line of airdropped frozen chickens between traditional bear habitat and urban areas... To save the bears, of course...
 
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In Colorado he would have been darted and relocated if the bear continues to be a problem then they are put down. With the black bears 99% of the time if you leave them alone they will leave you alone.
 
I had to deal with a small bear that wandered into my town last year. It started with a citizen calling in a bear sighting by the high school at 11:30 PM. A couple of patrols checked it out but didn't locate it. At about 2:00 AM we received another call that a bear was trying to kill a man's dogs about a mile from the first sighting. We responded to find the bear about 25 feet up in a large oak. I called out our animal control. While waiting we watched the bear and he watched us watching him. I won't go into all the details here since the whole episode had me frustrated with animal control, the fire department and the state wildlife officer. It became a bit of a three ring circus with a foot pursuit of a groggy bear over fences and through yards. In the end we captured the uninjured bear and he was hauled off to a management area. Throughout the incident, which spanned three hours, all I could think of was; (1) If he gets away and kills Mrs. Smith's pet Poodle I'm going to catch grief for weeks by those who weren't there but believe they could have done it better and (2) If we end up killing it, I'm going to catch grief for weeks by those who weren't there but believe they could have done it better.
 
Personally I think killing the animal is a last resort, as in it endangering your life. It's complete **** to just show up kill it. They're just being lazy. It should be tranquilized and taken back into the wild. :mad:
 
In Colorado he would have been darted and relocated if the bear continues to be a problem then they are put down. With the black bears 99% of the time if you leave them alone they will leave you alone.

It is a fact, a fed bear is a DEAD bear. Everyone should put blame for killing the 'poor' cute fuzzy bear where blame belongs, squarely on the head of the neighborhood idiot who started feeding them (sounds like mother & cub) & give simpithy to the officer who had the distastful duty of removing the public nusiance someone else created!

The area where I live has a thriving bear population. It is common for LEO's to have to remove problem bears & almost to a case, is caused by a bunny hugger who thinks they are doing the animal a favor by providing it with a treat or two. Once they relate contact with man to being fed, they are a public hazard & relocation does not work. It only moves the problem to someone elses backyard.

Most states have laws against feeding ANY wild animal as it really does not help them, & more often than not, leads to their death. The owner of any bird feeder is technically a law breaker if it is placed where a bear can get to it.

Rant over, now flog me :)
 
If true, it seems to me the PD over reacted with the "do SOMETHING" syndrome. Sometimes, no action or delayed action is the best course. I am surprised that the news media wasn't called about a hail of gunfire in someones back yard......and there would need to be reports that are public record. There really is no hiding the discharge of a weapon in the line of duty.
 
Even with relocation,they will travel a long way to get back to easy meals.Some of the towns here spend a lot of money,year after year trying to educate people,but the problem seems to get worse.

Just last week,I was kayak fishing a little lake at 9500 ft.Went to the truck to dig out some warmer clothes.Turned around and a fox was sitting,watching me and begging from 10 ft away.Don't feed the wildlife.
 
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Funny, this thread just happened to pop up. Exactly, one year ago, a black bear wandered into Lynnwood, WA and was found near an elementary school. The PD took a lot of flack for killing it. One comment called them cowards as he watched the news while working out on a treadmill, in a gym; and probably eating a powerbar and drinking bottled water.

BTW, city of Lynnwood is in the middle of suburbia; 25 miles to the nearest wilderness.

Local News | Bear shot, killed in Lynnwood neighborhood | Seattle Times Newspaper
 
The key here is likely that it was stated to be a "young" bear. If in fact it's mother was killed recently, it was not a matter of relocation as it may have still been dependent on the mother. If another option were capture and be relegated to some tourist trap zoo, then the kinder action was carried out. Of course, it may have been a known "serial bear" and had a cache of several dead fishermen nearby....
 
Think squirrel launcher, only much bigger. Launch bad bears to the neighbors yard.
 
all I could think of was; (1) If he gets away and kills Mrs. Smith's pet Poodle I'm going to catch grief for weeks by those who weren't there but believe they could have done it better and (2) If we end up killing it, I'm going to catch grief for weeks by those who weren't there but believe they could have done it better.

A day in the life of the dedicated public service professional;).
 
As some of you know, I did my MS Thesis on bears. The emphasis was on the eating habits and home range and habitat use of "urban" bears==the bears that live on the fringe of communities. During the two years that I trapped (with local F & W) and tracked radio-collared bears (and collected feces and dried them and pulled them apart), I attended several/numerous strategy and informational meetings. A few "notes" and "facts":

1) Bears are attracted to things besides hand-outs. Fruits such as figs, avocados, berries (including those from poison oak and pyrocanthus), apples, cherries, and others. Also animal parts such as fried turkey carcasses, roadkill, dog food, fish in fish ponds,fast food containers, jars (especially mayo, catsup).

2) Local LE doesn't care. The most common question: Is my 223 ( 12 ga, 357, etc) big enough to kill a bear? Homemowner: If I see a bear in my back yard, can I go inside, get my 30-30 and kill it in self-defense?

3) Local F & W might be 50 miles away. They'll ask local LE: "is there a threat to human life, livestock, or property?" LE thinks "Gee, it's a bear and old lady Smith's poodle keeps nipping it on the butt". So he answers "Yeah, it's a threat" Warden says "well, you gotta put it down, then"

4) Use of drugs to tranquilize is strictly controlled. You must be trained (24 hr course) that includes : Federal drug laws, administration techniques (airguns, blowguns, spears, cartridge guns), antidotes, first aid, contra=indications (some drugs can't be used on certain animals; certain animals can't be tranked at certain times of the year), complications (bloat, overheating), Federal storage laws for narcotics,and dosages (based on animal size). You must pass the course test and be certified. Course must be taught by a senior veterinarian with x years experience. Then, YOU must have a prescription issued by a wildlife veterinarian and must be using it "under his supervision" (loose definition). Generally, normal performance of his duties is enough for the last. Of course, controlled substances must be controlled-reports issued. If you miss, you HAVE TO FIND the dart-you can't leave it out there. One guy I know missed an elk and spent 3 days looking for the dart.

PS: Course also includes personal safety-how DO you handle a 6x6 bull elk that's starting to come awake.

5) LE is interested in public safety, primarily, then PR. Animal care is pretty far down on the list.

Give you one example of what typically happens:

We captured a small sow. This was in a trap in someone's driveway in what had been an old-time avocado grove. She was so small, we thought she was a cub. She also had the white blaze typical of young bears (in this case, a genetic trait of female bears in that area-we didn't know that at the time) After tranking her, we examined her and saw that, from condition of her teats, she had had at least two litters before. This meant she was about 10 years old,. We had another bear prowling through the brush about 50 feet away. We originally thought it was the mother. As soon as we knew her age, we guessed it was a boar (It was July, breeding season in that area). The warden was on top of the carport with a shotgun, covering us. We decided to keep her in the trap to attract the male and my assistant was delegated to hose her off every hour or so. Remember, this is in someones driveway in a residential area.

About midnight, the boar came down and the warden tranked him while he was free (not in a trap). Didn't go down quickly, so the warden hit him again (too much testosterone?). We were using Telazol, which is very safe because you really can't overdose an animal unless you REALLY, REALLY try. We did what we had to: blood sample, pulled a tooth, treated any wounds with first aid cream, put on a collar.

We were waiting for the bear to come out from under the drug when the warden got another call. That left the F & W biologist, me, and my RA. You have to stay around to make sure the bear comes out of it. Otherwise, ravens/crows can go for the eyes, another bear, etc can come along and get into a fight with it. Because it had taken two doses to knock the bear out, it took forever to wake him up. We were throwing rocks (well, pebbles and gravel) at him, shouting, etc. It's now about dawn and the teenage girl walks out of the house to go to work. The bear is half-awake and lying partially under her car. She screams and runs back as we're yelling at her to go back inside the house. One of us had to call her boss and explain why she wasn't coming in (fortunately, she worked as receptionist for her uncle).

It's now about 8 AM. The bear is almost completely awake. The homeowner has a 10 week old Lab puppy, who has come out and is barking at the bear, who is responsive. We get them separated. The bear goes over to the fishpond and drinks about 5 gallons of water (Telazol leaves a headache and a terrible thirst, not to mention the new ear "jewelry") and rips open a 50 lb bag of puppy chow. With 50 pounds of dog food for a 10 week old puppy laying on the patio and three trees of ripe avocados, any wonder why they have bears?

We have the additional problem of crowd control on the whole neighborhood, together with all their friends, neighbors, and relatives, together with a horny, frustrated,groggy bear with a SUPER drug hangover, and a barking puppy. I have an 8 AM class, so I bail out of there. Get to a 3 hour class an hour and a half late, with the biggest cup of coffee I could find (between classes and two bears, I've been up about 48 hours). The class was taught by my Graduate Chair (major professor). He looks at me and says "You guys get another bear last night". I could only glare at him with a "year"

So, be a little understanding of what can happen.

PS: We spent 3 weeks looking for the male bear. His collar went inactive, so we thought he'd been poached. The collar was "somewhere" in a mixed patch of poison oak and blackberries. Finally, my RA looked up and it was hanging on a ladder rung *(made of rebar) about 8 feet up. It itched, so the bear was scratching and got it pulled of.

God, I loved it!
 
Around here most "authorities" shoot loose livestock as they are a danger to the public. I have no doubt what they would do to a bear.
 
Black Bears are considered threatened here and are protected. Yes, we have lots of them in Florida. Encroaching development has seen a lot of Bears in up scale gated(they know the key codes;))communities. You can't just go shoot them. FWC needs to come and either trap them or dart them and move them.

Some stupid home owner was outside with family and a bear cam strolling by. He and family went inside the house. He was going to be great white hunter, loaded his 44 Mag and went out and killed bear. He was tried and convicted, as once he went in the house he was no longer in danger.
 
Had the same thing happen with a racoon last weekend. There was an injured coon (couldn't climb trees) wandering around the neighborhood. Animal control was called - they didn't show - apparently they don't work on Sunday. The local PD showed up and my yard looked like something out of a bad episode of "Cops". One cop drove the coon across my yard and under the fence to my neighbors yard where two more cops were waiting (this in addition to the three cops minding traffic in the street). I stepped out my back door and was told quite loudly to get back in my house. About two seconds after I stepped in the back door I hear "Boom" followed by "all clear". I ask the officer what he shot the coon with - turns out it was his sidearm (3rd Gen S&W - didn't see what kind:)). So six cops later, one half grown coon is taken care of. This was in suburnban Philly.
 
Um...if that was an adolescent bear...

That was CRAZY- those are good eat'n!!!! What a waste!!!! :mad:
Why the feller didn't ask to keep it for meat, I don't know.
 
In NJ bears have become a major problem. We went from none when I was a kid to having them on the front porch eating the Halloween pumpkins. I'm not kidding. Nothing short of rebar and chains will keep them out of the garbage and once they sample the trashcan buffet you will never get rid of them. We have an annual bear hunt to control the booming population. My daughter went from animal lover / vegetarian to get my gun I'm killing everyone I see. They recently gave in and sold their house in Rockaway in north Jersey, she's pregnant and doesn't want to deal with the bear problem with a baby. We're all used to seeing road kill deer on the side of the road. I saw my first road kill black bear on the side of the NY State Thruway. recently.
 
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