What happens to the Lube

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What happens to the lube on a cast lead bullet when fired...Does it vaporize before leaving the bbl, melt some and travel with the bullet, break up and make those greasy specks on a close in target, burn up and cause the sooty smoke......I'd like to know.......Thanks...2#
 
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Typically when the bullet hits the rifling some of it gets squished out and should lubricate the barrel as it travels through but some of it depending on the lube and other factors gets burned up causing smoke. If you find lube on the muzzle of the barrel after firing it means the lube made it the full length of the barrel. I'm sure some other casters can elaborate more on the subject.
 
It depends on several things, pressure, velocity, twist rate, and lubricant type, but overall the best answer is "D", all of the above. Much of the lubricant stays with the bullet until it comes to rest.
 
The truth is, no one has definitively answered this question. Something I've been curious about too. There are long, elaborately-argued points of view about this at cast boolits, and the RKIs there don't REALLY know.
 
Lyman Super moly will come off between the case and the 50 yard target as does a good home made version. [Felix] I want lube to have no adverse effects to accuracy in the bbl, not disturb rotation if it spins off in flight and prevent leading last. If the temperatures are between 45F and 85 F I should get a lube star at the muzzle from 20 rounds. That tells me most of the lube is being used in the bbl where I want it to be used.
 
I believe most of it is thrown out of the grease grooves as the bullet leaves the muzzle due to centrifugal force from the spinning bullet. A very little may burn, but as the residence time of the bullet in the barrel is so brief, there is not enough time for much of that to happen.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have scavenged lots of lead bullets fron the backstop berm, and have never seen a fired lead bullet with any lubricant remaining in the grease grooves.
 
I believe most of it is thrown out of the grease grooves as the bullet leaves the muzzle due to centrifugal force from the spinning bullet. A very little may burn, but as the residence time of the bullet in the barrel is so brief, there is not enough time for much of that to happen.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have scavenged lots of lead bullets fron the backstop berm, and have never seen a fired lead bullet with any lubricant remaining in the grease grooves.

Pull them all the time with the hard blue stuff from store bought cast slugs.
 
It always depends on the lube used & the vel fired. I have recovered bulelts with no lube & bullets w/ full grooves. In handgun rounds, all are mroe accurate than most shooters could shoot. You want the lube to make it at least to the end of the bbl, after that, accuracy tells the story.
 
Mostly carnauba wax based lube seems to stick to the bullet and will stay on even when the bullet hits the dirt. Those are the only ones I find that still have any lube on them.
 
It seems to enter the "time space continuum" The faster the bullet goes the closer to the speed of light it reaches and it falls to the E=MC2 equation.

Time and the bullet will stop,and become one.
 
Step into my TARDIS:D

When they had it as a regular series(the original not the new version) on PBS I watched it all the time, Great stuff!

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In short barreled pistols and revolvers? Not really. I've captured several fired cast bullets from both 9mm and 357's and pretty much all the lube was still in the grove. I think in a cast bullet shot at high velocity out of a rifle length barrel there would be enough heat generated through friction that a good amount of it would melt as it is forced down the barrel.
 
Actually,the lube's job is not exactly to lubricate but acts more like a gasket.The centrifugical force caused by the rapid rotation of the bullet in the barrel causes the lube to seal any space between the bullet and the barrel thus keeping the gases behind the bullet.If any of these gases,pushed at pressure from aprox 10K#/sq.in.in a .38spl target load all the way up to aprox 40K pressure in the trio of magnums would find a passage between the barrel and bullet,they would erode the lead and cause leading in the barrel.
Like DWALT said,some of it might burn and most of it is leaving the bullet as soon as the bullet leaves the barrel because of the centrifugical force.
You might also find some still clinging onto the bullet after it is recovered.It depends on the composition of the lube.
Qc
 
If you try many lubes and loads, you may eventually find lube residue even on 100 yard targets. After more than forty years of casting, sizing, lubing, and shooting rifle and handguns, I've gotten to the point where I use only two lubes, both commercial: a half & half lube and LBT Soft (which isn't real soft, but it's softer than a hard lube). I've tried many hard lubes for rifle and handgun bullets and I've never been able to tell that they offer any advantage over the two mentioned.

Bullet fit remains far more important than lube anyway.
 
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5 year old thread resurrected.

That being said, I don't think anyone can say with certainty what goes on in the barrel of a firearm. The heat and pressures are just too great.

All we know for sure, is what went in one end, and what came out the other.

The rest is interpolation, and conjecture. Theory. Nothing I know of can be proven.
 
Qcpistolero, your definition of bullet lube asking as a gasket is exactly what I was told years ago when buying a bullet mold. While certainly there is lubrication going on aka lube stars at the muzzle, the sealing of the hot gasses behind the bullet is extremely important as when the gas escapes between the bore and bullet then leading and gas cutting occurs. Cannot remember his name but did business in Scappose Oregon so that may ring a bell. Frank
 
An excellent article on bullet lube and what it actually does along with what forces are acting upon the lube.

Lubricating Cast Bullets. Bullet lube does more than you thought

I've showed this picture before, it saw sent to my by a member on another website. We were discussing grease grooves and lube groove compression with round vs square lube grooves.


As you can see the lube grooves are compressed compared to the un-fired bullets above the recovered ones in the lines below.
 
It gets absorbed into the skin. Be sure to re-apply as necessary.

Oh, you were talking about bullets...:D
 
An excellent article on bullet lube and what it actually does along with what forces are acting upon the lube.

Lubricating Cast Bullets. Bullet lube does more than you thought

I've showed this picture before, it saw sent to my by a member on another website. We were discussing grease grooves and lube groove compression with round vs square lube grooves.


As you can see the lube grooves are compressed compared to the un-fired bullets above the recovered ones in the lines below.

I read the article. It is very interesting indeed !

It does a great job of presenting a logical theory. He backs up his theory with presentation of what went into the barrel, what came out of the barrel, and what was left behind in the barrel.

It makes great sense. And, it may be what is happening in the barrel. But we don't know.

We don't know, because he presents no proof. There is no way we can "see" what is going on in the barrel as it is being fired. The pressure and heat is too much for present technology.

As for the lube-grooves being compressed - were the grooves compressed by the force pushing the bullet from the rear as it was fired?

Or, were the grooves compressed from the bullet stopping suddenly, and the rear of the bullet piling into the stationary front, when it hit whatever it hit ?

It looks very much like those bullets hit something, as evidenced by the distorted noses.

Ballistics is a very difficult "science", because Ballisticians really cannot prove what has happened. They can theorize, and use that theory until something comes along to disprove it (as all science is supposed to be done), but proof is very difficult.
 
The truth is, no one has definitively answered this question. Something I've been curious about too. There are long, elaborately-argued points of view about this at cast boolits, and the RKIs there don't REALLY know.

Very simple physics, all of the above depending on lube and quantity used, caliber, combustion. There are some great mysteries in life, (like what were you thinking?) or conversely and more complex?? (what is she thinking), but this is NOT one of them.

If you're losing sleep over this????
 
If it's properly working , after firing look at the muzzle and you should see a lube "star" , a light deposit that resembles a star. If no lube star is present , then the lube is staying in the lube groove ( I've picked up plenty of bullets with hard lube still in the groove) or the lube has run out before exiting the barrel...not enough for the job at hand.
And of course some vaporizes into, my favorite TV show..." GUNSMOKE".
Gary
 

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