What If

[Smoke]

What If?

Here's the scenario:

You work in a secure office. The ONLY people who have access to the room during your shift are you and your coworker.

While you're getting your lunch out of the Fridge you look down and realize your coworker left his backpack open on the table and there's a handgun in it.

(I want this to be CLEAR NO ONE is authorized access to your office but you and your coworker. No one else even has a key. This isn't the same as randomly leaving the gun in the bathroom)

The guy also doesn't drive. He has no car to leave the gun in. So his only option is to leave in his backpack. It's (IMO) not an escalation like it would be if he COULD leave it in his car but chose not to.

Company policy is ZERO TOLERANCE automatic, immediate termination on the first offense. The coworker doesn't SEEM to be a fruitcake.

What do you do?
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[Breakaway500]

Based on your scenario, I mind my own business...but store that tidbit away in case I need a firearm..

 

[Truckman]

Based on your scenario, I mind my own business...but store that tidbit away in case I need a firearm..

Given no other cause for alarm, that's what I would do, too......Ben

 

[OFT II]

"What do you do?"

Nothing.

 

[Muss Muggins]

An office is only as secure as the last person to leave left it . . .

(And I got ten bucks and a beer says there's another key somewhere)

 

[Smoke]

An office is only as secure as the last person to leave left it . . .

(And I got ten bucks and a beer says there's another key somewhere)

The office is on a card reader. Only security has access to the office on their badges. Only two of us are on shift at any given time (except for shift change of course). One of us is always in the office. The most likely candidate to steal the (hypothetical) gun would be me and I have (hypothetically) no interest.

I'd call that reasonably secure.

 

[bigwheelzip]

If your employer truly wanted a 0-tolerance firearms policy, they would secure the perimeter, search bags, and metal scan you.


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[Johnnu2]

I'd make sure that the co-worker and you are best buddies forever... Get to know his family and hobbies.... create a pleasant working environment for you both. Eventually, see if he has any extra ammo or primers he'd part with.

IMHO,
J.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'd call that reasonably secure.

I would as well, but like I said, others have access. Notably, the guy who runs the card code permissions. If it were me, I'd tell the guy I saw it, because I wouldn't want anyone thinking it belonged to the only other guy with access to the office . . .

 

[Smoke]

Notably, the guy who runs the card code permissions.

WE are the guy who runs the card code permissions.

 

[Muss Muggins]

WE are the guy who runs the card code permissions.

Interesting . . .

 

[SMSgt]

Not my zoo, not my monkey to deal with.

 

[ColbyBruce]

Have you considered that your corporate policy on such did not include your co-worker? There is always someone that the rules do not apply to.

 

[steelslaver]

I would keep my mouth shut. I see no harm. I can see deniability. I saw nothing. Many people don't like a tattle tail. Even though the management may well say good job, some of them will be thinking he would sell me out too. The guy who replace co-worker and anyone else you interact with will never 100% trust you. None of us are perfect. Might be different if the guy had proved to be deficient in other areas to the point of being near worthless.

Guy I worked with was a busy body. He became plant personnel and then staff. He found out that the staff people were working an under the table comp time deal to compensate for overtime and they were not following corporate policy on this practice. He brought this to corporate attention. Not only was he hated by the rest of staff he was laterally "promoted" to be in charge of off site grounds with no hope of advancement. It has been 8 years now.

 

[mikerjf]

Does he know about YOUR gun?

 

[Telecaster]

Invite him to the range.

 

[LDM]

Don't ask, don't tell. One of the few times this is a good policy.

 

[glenwolde]

I probably wouldn't report it. I'd file that away in case I needed to get rid of him someday. By getting him fired not shooting him. Nobody at work is my friend. Ever.

But I'm not you, don't know him, and likely worked in a completely different environment.

 

[FPrice]

How close are you and your co-worker?

Friendly enough to discuss guns, shooting, and the the RKBA?

I would not want to do anything that gets him in trouble. Based on what little you have said.

 

[Onomea]

Sounds like a unique work environment. In some ways reminds me of the two guys inside a missile silo, both with keys, and both guys and their keys being needed to launch.

Farfetched, but are the two of you in control of something potentially dangerous? Does the co-worker's gun make him the only guy with a key in the sense that he could compel you to take an action that could harm many others?

In the missile silo scenario above, I think both guys are armed. Don't have anything beyond movie experience with that though.

Re not having a car, your employer ought to provide secure lockers outside the restricted area.

 

[375hh1973]

I say nothing and just realize that I'm not the only one violating policy

 

[Smoke]

Reporting it to management was never even a blip on the radar.

The question was more "Do you tell the guy he needs to do a better job of hiding his stuff or keep your mouth shut."

My inclination (as always) is to stay in my lane and mind my business.

I'm just curious what others thought.

Interesting . . .

Security makes the access badges. The one computer that controls the card reader doors and assigns access levels to the cards sits right on the control console.

The highest access level is "God" and only security has it. The only door my master key won't open is to the onsite urgent care clinic and I have an actual key to it in the key box.

Only security has access to the security control office on our cards. The only people allowed in besides security is Maintenance and they have to be let in by security.

 

[raljr1]

I'd tell him to close his backpack.

 

[max503]

Someone once said always carry NEVER tell. I find that good advice. (Caps are mine.)

 

[WCCPHD]

To quote Sgt. Shultz "I see nothing, I know nothing."

 

[NYlakesider]

I would do nothing. You say the guy is all right!

As mentioned you do then know where a weapon might be if you need one for some reason. Course he might not be packing it every time.

Your job sounds like it is the hidden back door to a place like Fort Knox. I would guess that everyone working there had/has to past a serious background check.

 

[sipowicz]

He doesn’t drive? Start giving him a lift to work. If he’s ever fired for having the gun and comes back angry, you should be ok.

 

[fatcat3]

If your employer truly wanted a 0-tolerance firearms policy, they would secure the perimeter, search bags, and metal scan you.


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Thats what we do where I work.....................and then they hand me a two guns every day

 

[fatcat3]

Mind your own business

 

[tops]

I wouldn't say anything to him because if he does get in trouble over the gun he might think you told. If you don't say anything too him he doesn't know that you know he has the gun.
Another reason I wouldn't say anything too him is because he and management may be setting you up too see if you would tell management about somebody not following company policy. If you don't see anything you don't have anything too tell management about someone breaking the rules. Larry