What is wrong with the .40

PR24,,,,had a G27 as my BUG to go with it's taller sibling; G35. But, like a dummy I sold it to get a S&W 638. I should have sold off a safe queen instead of my 27. I miss that bucking and snorting little hellion.

I think I shot my best ever with that 27, right out of the box and I didn't like Glocks at the time! This was a why did I buy this gun? purchase :cool:
But I have to admit it made a Glock believer out of me! ;) I now own a 33 as well, I wanted to play around with the .357 sig?:)
 
I like the 40 S&W, I trust it more than I do a 9mm, and I have finally settled on the FNX 40 as my nightstand gun (most of the time, sometimes I just have to sleep with my 1076). My very first 40 was when Glock came out with the G27, about 1995 or so. I thought it was a bit snappy, and couldn't get used to my pinky dangling off the bottom. Then I tried a Taurus PT 940, which was a good gun, but I saw a Browning Practical in 40 and had to have it. Loved it too, but it was too heavy for me to carry comfortably and I eventually sold it to someone that wanted it more than I did.

Then I went a while without a 40 and started shooting 9mm again for a while, but was always looking for another 40 - something. Then I found this sweet gun. It fits my hand great, it holds 14 rounds of what I feel is a great compromise between the 9 and the 45. I have pistols in all three calibers, but I still like the .40, as the best all around defensive caliber, for ME. And this FNX has really impressed me with it's feel, looks and function. I'm a fan of the .40 S&W, and I don't care what other folks say about it, I like it, it ain't slow and weak. It's Slick & Wicked. :D
 

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There is nothing wrong with the .40. Like many choices in life there are pros and cons and you just have to decide what is best for you.

A comment on the women effecting some of the reasons why there is a move back to the 9mm. People with smaller less powerful hands (regardless of gender) will tend to move towards lower recoil calibers with greater effectiveness. I know this is no great revelation. It could be argued that people with more powerful larger hands are more accurate with lower recoil calibers. Women are having a greater effect on the world of guns and being someone who shoots regularly with his sisters, nieces, and their friends I think that is a great thing. All of them prefer the 9 to the 40 and all but one prefer the 38 to the 357( God love my niece she's got the recoil junky gene just like her uncle. Oh yeah she also has the largest strongest hands of the bunch. Go figure.) We need as many people on our side as possible. It makes total sense that more women in law enforcement would influence these decisions. I don't believe it is the driving force nor should they be scapegoated.

I do believe that changing calibers causing the need to spend taxpayer money on new guns is a very large reason why so many agencies bought into the .40 and why some are going back to the 9mm. As you so often hear "Follow the money".
 
I won't even repeat here what my old original gun smith / gun shop owner who was a Marine in WWII and carried a 45 cocked and locked had to say about 9mm! :eek:
He didn't like 9mm ;)
 
I liked what I read about the 40 and I found two great deals. One was a G27 and the other was an XDM 3,8 compact. I then saw a Ruger SR40c at my LGS and I bought it also.
The G27 was the bottom rung. The recoil was the talked about snappy 40. The trigger wasn't that great either and over all I almost hated the gun. It was the first gun I ever sold. Some guy bought it for his wife and she can only shoot it a few times before her hand is hurting.
The XDM was IMO better than the G27 over all but I still wasn't impressed with it.
The Ruger handled the 40 snap better and it had a better trigger also. It also concealed easier.
A friend has an SR9C and he was really surprised there wasn't that much noticeable difference shooting the SR40c compared to his 9c. I sold the G27 and the XDM and kept only the Ruger. The Ruger SR40c also is the best bang for the buck at $405 versus $550+ for the G27 or $650 for the XDM.
I think all the hype about the snappy 40 totally depends on what gun is shooting it. For SD carry I much prefer the 40 over the 9. IMO the 40 is much easier to handle for SD than say a 357. My experience the 40 in my SR is even easier to handle than a 38+P in a compact revolver like my LCR 357. I can easily shoot a 100 round box of 40 cal in my SR 40c and not have any hand discomfort.
Of course shooters will battle which is better the 9 or the 40. I choose the 40 for SD carry. I personally enjoy shooting the 40.
During the big ammo shortage years I often found 40 was on the shelves when the 9 shelves were empty.
 
I love the .40 round in the right firearm. For me right now, that's a 4th Gen Glock 23 and a Sig P226 Legion.

The Gen4 Glock 23 is my choice as well for .40 S&W...the perfect mix of capacity and size. However, for non-law enforcement use I prefer 9mm, and consider the Shield the ideal CCW. ;)
 
Of course shooters will battle which is better the 9 or the 40. I choose the 40 for SD carry. I personally enjoy shooting the 40.

A challenge: Next time you go the range take your SR40 and borrow or rent an SR9. Recruit the range master to time you when shooting controlled pairs from each gun (separate targets)

Examine your accuracy on each target and you will most likely see the biggest advantage of 9mm over .40 for CCW. :)
 
Yet, street failures, such as Miami or Newhall CA (1970) were primarily failures in judgment and tactics while the Newhall incident also pointed out significant training failures. The point is, even if these deceased officers had been armed with the .40 S&W, the outcome probably would have been the same although agents Grogan and Dove would probably be alive today if that Winchester Silvertip 9mm, had penetrated a bit deeper and had reached Mike Platt's heart, a 47-yard shot as I recall.

^^^^^^There it is right there! I was appalled by the tactics employed by the FBI in the Miami shootout incident. If the reenactment in the movie was even close to accurate it looked as if they never even heard of small team tactics, much less practiced any!
 
Several years ago, I bought a Glock Model 24. I liked it but I decided that I did not need to reload another caliber. I traded it a few months later. I have not considered a .40 since.

For target shooting a 9mm is cheaper to shoot. For self defense, a .45 makes a bigger hole.
 
My wife loves her factory tuned .40 HK USP Tactical, trigger job, funnel mag. I would not want her taking her time with me at ranges neither of us used to think were handgun distance. I've watched her bouncing a reactive orange ball at 50 yards while chewing gum...dangerous.
She liked it so much I got her a short USP in .40, she is spoiled because of the little P2000SK in 9mm, but is competent with the USP.
I prefer .45ACP in a tactical sized handgun but see no problem if you get a hangun designed to handle the cartridge. I've had my share of Hi-Powers and have fired one in .40 and did not care for it, in the same way I never liked hearing the way a starter designed for 6 volts sounds when hit with 12...it works but I don't care for the way the Bendix slams into the flywheel.
 
I was initially issued a 9mm for my duty weapon. Our department had several officer involved shootings and the 9mm was always up to the task and none of our officers lost a gun battle.

We were later issued .40 S&W's and subsequent officer involved shootings with the new cartridge produced similar results. However, qualification scores suffered and as I was leaving the department was well on its way to transitioning back to the 9mm.

I continue to shoot and carry my GLOCK 22 and 27 and also added a .40 S&W Shield to my mix. If the 9mm has been made better due to better ballistics why wouldn't it follow that the .40 S&W would enjoy the same upgrades. I believe recoil is the driving factor behind the the resurgence in 9mm popularity. The .40 S&W is still an excellent self defense round and will be around for some time to come.
 
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Boy this thread brought out the 270 win vs '06 guys. Each to their own.

I love the 1911 and have Colt NM's and a Kimber match target and they would do in a shooting situation.

I have 44 Mags, more on this one later.

I have 357's.

I have 22 LR's.

I have 380's.

I have 1 40 S&W in a Sig 229. I love it. I bought some extra mags on sale and before the ammo dried up I bought a bunch of Winchester Lawman ammo at Cabellas, I think it was 14.97 a box. I bought a lot.

In the ammo shortage I went by an LGS I used to frequent on a regular basis. They had guns aplenty but 22 LR, and about any pistol calibers were not selling due to no ammo to feed them. I saw one box of Winchester Lawman in 40 there one day marked $65.00. It was the only box they had, I suspect the employees nabbed the rest.

I reload the 45 acp. My 40 Sig is not shot as much, it is for serious stuff, I do CC it more during the winter since a coat covers it well. IT is heavier than a Glock, I don't feel nor think it recoils much at all in the Sig.

Up close I know a 22 LR to the brain will work, saw the cadavers.

I've never had to shoot a person, been ready too, but it worked out.

Some times on the farm we had to shoot chicken, sheep killing dogs.

I've run a 38 Special 158 grain RN thru a large hound behind the shoulder and thru both lungs. He ran about 50 yards and dropped.

I shot a large heinz 57 that was about the size of a German Shepherd. I hit it behind the shoulder with a REM 240 Gr HP in 44 Mag. He ran about 50 yards and dropped.

Both dogs were running when hit. If one does not hit the old T in the old FBI/LE targets to end it now a shot thru the lungs will not stop it and if they are shooting you may be in trouble.

I saw one guy shot thru 1 lung by LE, he walked into the hospital.

The county did the investigation of a shooting by a City PD using an Ithaca 20 gauge and #4 Buck. Per witness the person shot once and when the LE shot the 1st guy went down immediately.

Someone early in this thread said rifle or a shotgun and buck shot. He is right.

I know from reading about many home invasions or burglers caught in the act they most often turn and run. If you get a crazed one you probably will need a stopper and if your choice is a handgun bullet placement is paramount. Caliber size 2nd.

If I go to the door at night it usually is a 1911 in 45acp goes with me.

But I do have a "shortgun" sitting by the bed, that shortgun is a short barreled 12 gauge shotgun. #4 buck is in it.

I'll go back to reading about the dead 40 and why others are better and so we are clear on the subject, the 270 Winchester O'connor can do everything the '06 can. I have some 270's. BUT, If I lived in Grizz country I would carry one of my 300 mags to deer hunt with or have it handy in the truck with 200 grain bullets because Elmer Keith was right too.
 
I won't even repeat here what my old original gun smith / gun shop owner who was a Marine in WWII and carried a 45 cocked and locked had to say about 9mm! :eek:
He didn't like 9mm ;)
Probably the story about the charging Afghanis who took 17 rounds of NATO 9mm straight through the heart and didn't even slow down.

But, as shown on the TV show "the Unit", anybody shot with a single round of .45 flies ten feet through the air and hits the ground dead.
 
I love the .40. I bought an M&P 40c to serve as a nightstand weapon (I have a small nightstand). I also bought a Shield 9mm to serve as my EDC. Well, I had a lot of RSA-related problems with my Shield, and it took months to get them solved. In the meantime, I began to carry my 40c on an interim basis. Accordingly, I increased my range hours with the 40c, and got to the point where its "snappiness" was no longer a bother. I became able to shoot it as accurately at self-defense distances (up to 20 yards) as my longer-barreled, and very accurate SIG P320 compact 9mm. I also shoot the 40c more accurately than the Shield. So now my "interim" carry gun has become my permanent EDC, and my Shield has become a range toy and BUG. The advantages of the 40c over the Shield as an EDC are pretty overwhelming: More rounds, more hitting power, more accuracy, and more reliability. Its only disadvantage is more bulk, and I don't mind that.

Finally, just out of curiosity, I looked up the ballistic data on Federal HST self-defense rounds:

MV=Muzzle Velocity in FT/SEC
E=Energy in LB/FT

.45 cal +P 230g: 950MV 460E
.40 cal 180g: 1010MV 410E
9mm 150g: 900MV 270E
9mm 124g: 1150MV 364E

With .40 cal. hitting power approaching that of .45 cal. +P rounds, IMHO, the .40 is here to stay.
 
There's plenty of reasons why I dislike the 40, many of which have already been mentioned. The biggest reason is that I hate it when a rogue piece of 40 cal brass gets mixed in with my 45s. They can get wedged inside of a 45 while tumbling and are a pain to get out.
 
One reason I just thought of, that I like the .40 and .45 acp though its not a big deal. Is that a few times I'm driving home from the range and my gun is loaded with cheap hardball practice ammo, I still have confidence in it performing well in a defensive scenario. The 9m/m with hardball.....not so much.
 
Finally, just out of curiosity, I looked up the ballistic data on Federal HST self-defense rounds:

MV=Muzzle Velocity in FT/SEC
E=Energy in LB/FT

.45 cal +P 230g: 950MV 460E
.40 cal 180g: 1010MV 410E
9mm 150g: 900MV 270E
9mm 124g: 1150MV 364E

With .40 cal. hitting power approaching that of .45 cal. +P rounds, IMHO, the .40 is here to stay.
It seems very few people realize that for the best available defense rounds, the .40 and .45 are close to interchangeable for muzzle energy (I have seen some in the 500 - 600 ft-lb range). The 9mm is a little behind, but certainly in the range where it would be considered adequate for duty use.


As an example, the Winchester Ranger T series:

This .45 is about 495 ft-lbs:

http://www.winchesterle.com/Lists/CatalogAmmo/Attachments/11/RA45TP.PDF

The corresponding .40 in the same series is about 467 ft-lbs:

http://www.winchesterle.com/Lists/CatalogAmmo/Attachments/10/RA40TA.pdf

The 9mm +p in the series is about 377 ft-lbs:

http://www.winchesterle.com/Lists/CatalogAmmo/Attachments/865/RA9124TP.pdf
 
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