Texasgordo
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I will always have a few pistols in 40. The recoil never bothered me and the ammo is plentiful. I still love 9mm and 45acp but 40 is a good round.
What is wrong with the .40
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I started shooting and carried a 40sw back in "91 or "92 with a Firestar M40 pistol . In the early days I used 165gr ammo or reloads and then some corbon 150 nosler and 155gr speer for HP carry ammo .
Since underwood has loaded the 40 there 155gr speer load has been my carry ammo and that manages 1321fps in my tp40 kahr and 1318fps p320 compact . That's at or very close to 600ft lbs energy .
I never worried to much about how comfortable it is to shoot . I grew up shoot and hunting original spec 357mags loads and a 170gr at just over 1400fps makes a hot 40sw is a breeze in comparison .
I do occasionally carry a 9mm or a 45 but not often .
Since underwood has loaded the 40 there 155gr speer load has been my carry ammo and that manages 1321fps in my tp40 kahr and 1318fps p320 compact . That's at or very close to 600ft lbs energy .
I never worried to much about how comfortable it is to shoot . I grew up shoot and hunting original spec 357mags loads and a 170gr at just over 1400fps makes a hot 40sw is a breeze in comparison .
I do occasionally carry a 9mm or a 45 but not often .
Nothing, I'm a fan of the 40 S&W round and I own two pistols in that caliber. They are a Sig P239 and a Sig P226 both in 40 S&W and I also have 357 Sig barrels for these two pistols. The funny thing is the 40 S&W barrels are on these two all the time because I like shooting them better in 40 S&W and I'm more accurate with it.'
P239 in 40 S&W
P226in 40 S&W
P239 in 40 S&W
P226in 40 S&W
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bigggbbruce
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A good shot..
I shoot critters with a 22.. the head shots or vital organ shot drop them on the spot.
a poor shot and I have to chase them down..
Yep , for critters a .22lr is hard to be . Been taking tree rats for many years with standard velocity solid with head shots and my wife and hell or the local raccoon population . Works well on hogs too with a bullet behind the ear but darn you have to be close and sneeking up that close on a hogs hard to do !!
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A service sized gun in 9mm is kind of a waste.
If you can shoot it, why not?
I don't care what some pencil neck FBI sissies have decided on.
20150901_102944_LLS by Slick_Rick77, on FlickrA service sized gun in 9mm is kind of a waste.
If you can shoot it, why not?
I don't care what some pencil neck FBI sissies have decided on.
The first statement is nonsense. The latter can be true for some guns.
Can't rack a 40sw ?? Many of the handguns designed now were designed around the 357sig or 40sw pressures but function with a 9mm . Same Recoil Spring used in all three . My girls and wife can easily rack any pistol we all own but the cm9 kahr . 10 year old can rack my m&p 40 or p320 compact 40 but then he can do 25 push ups and 15 pull ups .
To many soft people out there today . Spend some time doing something physical every day .
To many soft people out there today . Spend some time doing something physical every day .
Arik
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A service sized gun in 9mm is kind of a waste.
If you can shoot it, why not?
I don't care what some pencil neck FBI sissies have decided on.
The first statement is nonsense. The latter can be true for some guns.
Depends on how often you shoot but yes round for round guns get more wear faster from 40. This is the reason that some guns were first designed around the 40 and then went to other calibers. HK comes to mind. Their USP was 1st designed to shoot 40s&w not 9mm. 9 came later. Their P2000 was first designed around the 40s&w, 9 came later. Customs and Border Patrol carry HK in 40s&w. Before the HK they carried Beretta 96 in 40s&w and found that their guns were being shot apart from that caliber. Because all Beretta did was make a 92 with a 40 barrel. Even Sig changed their guns to accommodate the 40s&w. P226 and P228 were originally manufactured using a stamped-steel slide on an aluminum alloy frame. The P229 consists of a CNC-milled stainless steel slide. The P229's milled steel slide was introduced to handle the higher slide velocities created by the .357 SIG and .40 S&W loads, which the stamped slide of the P228 could not handle.
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I picked up a police trade-in P226 in .40 a month or two ago. I shot it in a club PPC match and came with three points of my score with a 6" Model 19.
I'm pretty happy with it.
I'm pretty happy with it.
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9mm-.45acp .098 inch difference dia.
9mm-40 s&w .046 inch difference dia.
40 s&w-.45acp .051 inch difference dia.
1/10 of an inch approx. max difference
Weight........maybe........maybe not
Bullet construction..........depends on target
Placement and penetration.........mostly X 10..........
9mm-40 s&w .046 inch difference dia.
40 s&w-.45acp .051 inch difference dia.
1/10 of an inch approx. max difference
Weight........maybe........maybe not
Bullet construction..........depends on target
Placement and penetration.........mostly X 10..........
I don't think there is anything "wrong" with it. It just will not do anything better than any of the 9mm's or .45's that I already have. I just have no interest in adding another caliber to the stable.
2x4 for a grip, problem. I am not that big, 5'9" and 150lb, but I still wear a large glove. The FN .45 grips are huge.
2x4 for a grip, problem. I am not that big, 5'9" and 150lb, but I still wear a large glove. The FN .45 grips are huge.
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But wait! The 10mm is making a comeback!
Never did cotton to the .40 "Short & Weak"
I have an HK USP V1 9mm FS which is a real sweetie to shoot and I carry with Underwood 9mm 124 +P XTPs. Pretty hot ammo here. 1225 FPS for 413 FPE.
I also have a Sig P250c in 40sw and carry with Underwood 40sw 155 XTPs. This is really hot ammo here. 1300 FPS for 582 FPE.
I chose XTP over Gold Dot because the XTP is slower to expand thus allowing deeper penetration.
Both are keepers for me and I trust the 40sw more than the 9mm but still feel that the 9mm are capable of doing the job.
The recoil of the 40sw is something you can learn to control. With practice your wrists will be stronger (and keep your elbows bent) and you won't even notice the recoil. I have strong and thick wrists so it was easy for me.
Having both the 9mm and the 40sw (and 45acp for some) means you'd always have ammo even during the silly panics.
I also have a Sig P250c in 40sw and carry with Underwood 40sw 155 XTPs. This is really hot ammo here. 1300 FPS for 582 FPE.
I chose XTP over Gold Dot because the XTP is slower to expand thus allowing deeper penetration.
Both are keepers for me and I trust the 40sw more than the 9mm but still feel that the 9mm are capable of doing the job.
The recoil of the 40sw is something you can learn to control. With practice your wrists will be stronger (and keep your elbows bent) and you won't even notice the recoil. I have strong and thick wrists so it was easy for me.
Having both the 9mm and the 40sw (and 45acp for some) means you'd always have ammo even during the silly panics.
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Till last year I hadn't owned a 40sw for 15 yrs. I owned literally nothing but 9mm and 22lr pistols.
Bought a Glock 22 - 40sw mid last year. Liked it better than I remember my G22 or G23 from years ago.
Then I bought a 1911 this year (hadn't had one of those in about 16-17 years. For the price I got it for, and cheap target ammo I use to take to the range.
Im starting to believe in other calibers, besides the 9mm....
I have over eleven 9mm handguns, four 22lr, one 40sw, and one 45acp. Think I need to start worrying about quality over quantity of caliber.
Hopefully prices keep dropping on 40sw and 45acp ammo, so I can keep shooting them frequently.
Btw - ballistics, over penetration, being a caliber elitist, or overall blowhard expert aren't my main worries when purchasing firearms or ammo.
Cost, availability, and being proficient are my 3 main concerns.
Bought a Glock 22 - 40sw mid last year. Liked it better than I remember my G22 or G23 from years ago.
Then I bought a 1911 this year (hadn't had one of those in about 16-17 years. For the price I got it for, and cheap target ammo I use to take to the range.
Im starting to believe in other calibers, besides the 9mm....
I have over eleven 9mm handguns, four 22lr, one 40sw, and one 45acp. Think I need to start worrying about quality over quantity of caliber.
Hopefully prices keep dropping on 40sw and 45acp ammo, so I can keep shooting them frequently.
Btw - ballistics, over penetration, being a caliber elitist, or overall blowhard expert aren't my main worries when purchasing firearms or ammo.
Cost, availability, and being proficient are my 3 main concerns.
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I have 9mm Pistols, 40 S&W pistols and 45 ACP 1911's and my primary choice for home defense is a Sig P226 in 40 S&W with 13 rounds. I shoot it well and its accurate and I have 4 extra rounds over a 1911. I also have a 357 Sig barrel for this gun and sometimes I put that barrel in it.
rattlesnakedaddy
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The biggest problem with the .40S&W, is that it came about some 80 years or so after the 9mm and 45ACP. Those two rounds are so entrenched in the firearms world, not much can touch them for popularity. The 40S&W is a great round with most guns having the capacity close to a 9mm, and its ballistics are close to and in some cases superior to a .45ACP. They are typically built an the smaller sized 9mm frames as opposed to larger framed .45 and 10mm's, which gives them a 'snappy' reputation.
I adopted the cartridge back in the mid 90's (moving from my k framed 357's), and have never felt uncomfortable with one. I only recently picked up my first 9mm, and don't really see the hype with them.
That said, I have more recently begun to switch from my double stacked 40's to my single stack 1911's in 45ACP, as they are much more comfortable to carry, an dI don't feel the need for hi-cap magazines.
YMMV,
RSD
I adopted the cartridge back in the mid 90's (moving from my k framed 357's), and have never felt uncomfortable with one. I only recently picked up my first 9mm, and don't really see the hype with them.
That said, I have more recently begun to switch from my double stacked 40's to my single stack 1911's in 45ACP, as they are much more comfortable to carry, an dI don't feel the need for hi-cap magazines.
YMMV,
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my sigma is .40 and it is my bedside security. say what you will but 15 rounds of .40 always ready is hard to beat
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