What is your Go to War Sidearm?

In policing, should there be a need to 'fight,' the end result is that the defendant (no longer a suspect, as they are committing a crime in the presence of a polkice officer), must be taken onto custody. To that end, you (as an officer) must use whatever force is reasonable to do so. That means using, as needed, physical restraint tactics, chemicals, maybe a baton, against another human being who likely has no weapon. If the defendant acquiesces to arrest, no force is needed - if he/she resists, police may (and should) use just enough force to effect the arrest. None of that force is applied in a 'fair fight.' None. Police may need to apply some level of force in any arrest - busier officers in busier places must do so with more frequency, as they make more arrests.

Other fights between ordinary citizens are generally crimes, either assualt, battery, or perhaps public affray. Fair or unfair. "Warrior?" Give me a break; life isn't WWE.

I suspect that is what was being asked by SigP220. What's really your experience.
 
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FWIW, I was at my LGS shopping today. One of the staff said that their AK-47s in 7.62x39 were flying off the shelf. I didn't think to ask about the ammo or why that was the case (there were only two other customers in the store, one asking about his ability to buy guns pending criminal charges). Needless to say, I got out of the store quickly.

Bam-Bam, thanks for your reply.

I've given the SHTF a lot of thought and done a lot of research. I would be conflict-avoidant as much as possible and venture out with like-minded, ethical people, because eventually those that seek conflicts will have bad outcomes, among other things.

If a uniformed enemy or otherwise identifiable bad guy is armed, even not pointing a weapon at me, I presume I would have reasonable justification for a self-defensive shooting of him/her, based on his/her ability, opportunity, and imminence of threat. Ideally, I would be with a group of friendlies.

As to rendering aid or killing wounded, all things equal and no other identifiable threats in the area and/or I have back-up*, if the wounded person set aside his/her weapons and allowed me to search him, I might render first aid out of humanitarianism. However, I would continue to shoot until I could stop him/her as a threat, just as I envision in peace time in a defensive shooting situation.

* the least experienced and heavily armed would be delegated to that task, the more experienced and heavily armed maintaining situational awareness. This would be discussed in a advance.
 
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Going to war? Well I'm gonna be prepared for any eventuality....
 

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Forte Smitten Wesson said:
That would depend on your definition of a "real fight" but I presume that you are referring to a gunfight in context, to which the answer is thankfully, no.
I've been in my share of other fights though, including ones where the other guy tried fighting dirty and lost, or otherwise never got the chance to try, but admittedly that was a long time ago when I was just a kid. These days I like to stay out of trouble, I've got enough stress in my life without getting into fist fights with cowardly dirtbags who act tough, but pull out their phone and start recording the moment you so much as raise your voice.

That being said, I wasn't referring to myself to begin with, I was merely making a general statement regarding my opinion based on personal experience.



Well, there you are... I hope it was amusing as you were expecting it to be.
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I just wondered what your expertise in fighting was. Now I know.

The idea of “fighting dirty” is naive, in my experience. I’ve been in brutal fights and came out ok. The last thing I considered was if I was being fair to the other guy.

Your posts usually are sensible. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but to lecture on a subject which is so unfamiliar to you is odd. But its the internet, so ok.
 
sigp220.45 said:
I just wondered what your expertise in fighting was. Now I know.

The idea of “fighting dirty” is naive, in my experience. I’ve been in brutal fights and came out ok. The last thing I considered was if I was being fair to the other guy.

Your posts usually are sensible. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but to lecture on a subject which is so unfamiliar to you is odd. But its the internet, so ok.
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On occasion, I feel it necessary to speak up on behalf of where my moral compass leads me, and if that isn't sensible, then so be it.

You can argue about how sensible it is to fight like a thug if you please, but personally, I just cannot bring myself to kick a man man while he's down, even if he'd be willing to kick me when I'm down.

Somehow I've managed to survive this far without resorting to dirty fighting, and somehow I doubt that I'll ever have any regrets about fighting fair. I wonder how many dirty fighters might be able to say the same at the end of the line?
 
Forte Smitten Wesson said:
I doubt that I'll ever have any regrets about fighting fair. I wonder how many dirty fighters might be able to say the same at the end of the line?
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If they were fighting for their life, I imagine quite a few.:)

Your original post talked about "going to war." You were the one who stipulated war. If we're talking war, we're talking life or death scenarios here...not some schoolyard tussle where the combatants each walk away to enjoy another day with nothing more than perhaps a bloody nose and a few skinned knuckles.

You mentioned that your fighting experience is limited to when you were "just a kid." I believe, if you stop and think about it, we're comparing "apples to oranges," so to speak. This isn't "kid fighting" we're talking about. It's war. Someone is trying to kill you or your family. If someone is out-and-out trying to kill me or my family, you can bet your bobsled I'm going to do everything possible to keep us all alive...even if it means fighting dirty.
 
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Rustyt1953 said:
No snarkasm intended but how does one "fight like a thug"?
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By kicking a man when he's down on the ground and can no longer defend himself. Or any other such ways that a common street thug might fight. Without any shread of honor whatsoever.
 
Back in the day tweakers didn't exisist, MMA wasn't a thing, fights were fistfights, and the worse outcome was likely stitches or a broken nose.
Going hand to hand on the street these days can instantly become mortal combat. I went to school in an inner city high school where I had my share of fights, boxed in the service, and studied Hapkido after, spent plenty of time on the mats...and at the age of 72 the last thing I would want to do is find myself in a street fight...isn't that why we EDC?
 
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