What it takes to be secure is beyond was a CCW provides.

[sirrduke2010]

My intention of the write is simply this:

Self Defense is a complex animal.

It is more than pulling a firearm out of your inside hostler, pointing, and/or shooting. Unless one learns the full context of what self defense is about we put ourselves at risk of becoming the unwitting victim of our good intentions. I have tried to push this thought but as I have seen other good intentioned self defense gun wielding advocates who have used excessive force and found themselves tried for assault charges all the way to life in prison there is more to using your weapon in self defense.

You have to prove the threat is lethal which could be hard under certain circumstances. A woman of 5' firing a handgun against a man of 6'2" for fearing for her life could be considered self defense but another man of 6'3" in the same situation after being shoved using a weapon could be considered assault with a deadly weapon and/or murder if he kills the other man.

OK some think I am ridiculous. The mere fact in a mugging when jumped by 4 how easily are you going to be able to get to your weapon? Do you have the time? Maybe they just take your gun from you and steal it. To avoid being jumped it could have been as easy as being aware and avoid a suspicious group of men.

The biggest problem I see is the reliance that somehow carrying a revolver on his or her person will eliminate the threat of being victimized. Yes having a gun is a great deterrent and a great self defensive weapon. But without integrating into a Multi-Dimensional self defensive system it is yet another tool which by itself is incomplete.

I see many that don't have a gun, don't have a CCW, but are more prepared to take on a threat than some of the people on here. I see the dependence on carrying weapon as a way to protect one's self as a handicap. I see with some that it is a very fast way to put yourself behind bars. It is a very strong self defensive tool when used in the right way, with awareness and avoidance, and with having knowledge of when and where you can use it.

 

[Poodle Soup]

You have to prove the threat is lethal which could be hard under certain circumstances. A woman of 5' firing a handgun against a man of 6'2" for fearing for her life could be considered self defense but another man of 6'3" in the same situation after being shoved using a weapon could be considered assault with a deadly weapon and/or murder if he kills the other man.

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Ive always found this quite simple. If you have a gun and they dont stop advancing. They are attempting to take your firearm and harm you. 1 verbal warning "STOP OR ILL SHOOT" 1 visible warning (level the gun) 1 more visible warning (muzzle flash)
You gave 3 warnings, they refused to correct their actions..... you had to do it!

 

[venomballistics]

Self Defense is a complex animal.

Digital microcontrollers and their programming are complex animals. Analog guitar effect pedals are also complex animals.
self defense is not electronics engineering and dates back to before the discovery of fire when teeth ruled the battlefield.
few things in nature lack the capacity to defend. Even reptiles can do it. heck .. even a few fungi such as the amanita virosa mushroom can assure no repeat offenders.

It is more than pulling a firearm out of your inside hostler, pointing, and/or shooting. Unless one learns the full context of what self defense is about we put ourselves at risk of becoming the unwitting victim of our good intentions.

Yup ... Mans infinite capacity for foolishness has resulted in some complications ... all of which, again, are addressed in any proper course.

You have to prove the threat is lethal which could be hard under certain circumstances. A woman of 5' firing a handgun against a man of 6'2" for fearing for her life could be considered self defense but another man of 6'3" in the same situation after being shoved using a weapon could be considered assault with a deadly weapon and/or murder if he kills the other man.

how so? physically attacking anyone is not a rational act.
In any such case, some form of response is warranted and the response, in generic terms, is not a course of action chosen by the victim. the thug chooses the road to violence.
We just choose to bail out of the car before it gets to the cliff.

OK some think I am ridiculous. The mere fact in a mugging when jumped by 4 how easily are you going to be able to get to your weapon? Do you have the time? Maybe they just take your gun from you and steal it. To avoid being jumped it could have been as easy as being aware and avoid a suspicious group of men.

yup .. some do think you are ridiculous
Situational awareness is addressed in any decent CCW class. these permits do not come out of crackerjack boxes.

The biggest problem I see is the reliance that somehow carrying a revolver on his or her person will eliminate the threat of being victimized.

Where in here do you see this? I've missed this memo.
some talk a big game .. sure. but nearly all who call you on these threads seem pretty aware of the mechanics of self defence. In fact, so aware to my awareness, I wonder if you have any awareness at all. these threads ALWAYS go like this.

I see many that don't have a gun, don't have a CCW, but are more prepared to take on a threat than some of the people on here.

Most of us enjoy Chuck Norris flicks too. However we have no delusions that we are Chuck Norris, Jet Li, Jackie Chan, or Steven Segal

I see the dependence on carrying weapon as a way to protect one's self as a handicap. I see with some that it is a very fast way to put yourself behind bars.

its these statements that lead me to believe you are an anti gun insurgent ... tell Sara Brady I, a staunch supporter of the full second amendment, extend my heartfelt condolences for the hardships she has endured since Hinkley shot her husband.

It is a very strong self defensive tool when used in the right way, with awareness and avoidance, and with having knowledge of when and where you can use it.

we won't be without em

 

[Mickey D]

Sir Duck's posts are unbearable, so turning this into a bear thread is fitting.

I just can't imagine running from a bear. I hear they are pretty fast, so I'd be terrified.

1. Always go afield with someone that runs slower than you.
2. There will be #2

 

[jlrhiner]

1. Always go afield with someone that runs slower than you.
2. There will be #2

Sirrduke has about convinced me, a 54 year old disabled veteran, that I don't need a gun for self defense. I should take a karate class and get rid of my pistol before I get in trouble. Wouldn't want someone to misunderstand my actions

(in an attempt at complete disclosure, the "disabled" and "veteran" are not related)

Thank goodness we're back on bears!

 

[APS]

Just out of curiosity I perused sirrduke's 161 posts and there doesn't appear to be a single one that leads me to believe he owns a gun. Posts about cleaning kits and a holster that he wanted to sell, yes, along with his usual tidbits of wisdom that can be found on any other site. But not a single post replying to pocket carry experience, how a particular round shoots in his gun, trigger pull on his favorite revolver, his first .22 revolver etc., nothing that resembled a normal post on a firearms forum by a firearms enthusiast.
Not that firearm ownership and discussion of said firearms is a requirement to post on a public forum designed for firearms enthusiasts. But I do think it's odd.

 

[mc5aw]

I have a CCW, I own revolvers, and I practice situational awareness with regularity. That said, some time ago, while in the back yard on a beautiful moonlit night, I shot a bear in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Just out of curiosity I perused sirrduke's 161 posts and there doesn't appear to be a single one that leads me to believe he owns a gun. Posts about cleaning kits and a holster that he wanted to sell, yes, along with his usual tidbits of wisdom that can be found on any other site. But not a single post replying to pocket carry experience, how a particular round shoots in his gun, trigger pull on his favorite revolver, his first .22 revolver etc., nothing that resembled a normal post on a firearms forum by a firearms enthusiast.
Not that firearm ownership and discussion of said firearms is a requirement to post on a public forum designed for firearms enthusiasts. But I do think it's odd.

Interesting observation. In view of OP's prominent posts, I don't think that the apparent implication of his posting history is odd. Even though you do think it's odd that he posts here, I guess we're really saying the same thing.

 

[seagill]

The OP kinda reminds me of my wife's cousin. He teaches martial arts (some obscure forms of kung fu that I couldn't begin to pronounce). He was actually telling his students to carry a baggie filled with a mixture of sand and cayenne pepper. I explained to him that they have this stuff called pepper spray....
Recently he's been asking me a lot of questions about handguns as he has realized even Jackie Chan isn't bullet proof. The problem is he envisions himself coming out with a pistol in each hand, guns a blazin! Some folks watch to many movies.

 

[venomballistics]

The OP kinda reminds me of my wife's cousin. He teaches martial arts (some obscure forms of kung fu that I couldn't begin to pronounce). He was actually telling his students to carry a baggie filled with a mixture of sand and cayenne pepper. I explained to him that they have this stuff called pepper spray....
Recently he's been asking me a lot of questions about handguns as he has realized even Jackie Chan isn't bullet proof. The problem is he envisions himself coming out with a pistol in each hand, guns a blazin! Some folks watch to many movies.

I sorta get that vibe as well ... like a fear mongering marketing angle that never seems to make it past the fear mongering part.
Dont get me wrong .. theres nothing wrong with the martial arts. I used to be into tai quan do. might come in handy in a gun fight, but not as handy as my 45.
Ive thought about all sorts of whiz bang defensive gadgets as well .. many could be a scale tipper. but reality is when you pare it down to the most effective pieces of gear. nothing surpasses a gun.

 

[photoman]

Wow. It ~is~ possible to over-think the subject.