What to do if someone pulls a gun on you and wants to take you to a second location?

[sirrduke2010]

Many times the victim feels that if he or she just cooperates he will make it out alive. Generally they are right but the exception comes when they want to take you from the scene to a new location. What are your chances of surviving? According to ex-Lietenant Bittenbinder of the Chicago Police dept. you are better off running form the scene than cooperating. The chances of being raped and/or killed if you are a woman is increased. With both men in women the chances of death are also increased. Running from a person with a gun is safer than being taken from the scene to a new location. The chances of being hit by bullet fired at you are a lot less than be a taken to a new scene. I think the percentage of being hit by a bullet and killed is about 3% which are better the odds of being taken to a new location. All this being said there are no guarantees on anything here but you chances of survival are improved by running from the scene.

 

[Broker50]

Not to be trite, but if someone pulls a gun, & wants to take me someplace else, we will find out which of us is the better "gunfighter".

 

[Alk8944]

Fighting back or fleeing are always the best options. Anyone who meekly surrenders and allows their captor to take them to another location has an extremely high probability of being killed by their captor as usually that is the reason for taking the person to a different/remote location in the first place.

With the exception of hostages taken during bank robberies the chances are very near 100%, if you allow yourself to be taken away from the original scene, that you will eventually be killed by the perpetrator.

 

[sigp220.45]

I've told my kids, since they were old enough to understand, that if someone pulls a gun on you and tells you to get into a vehicle, to run. If they remember, its best to run toward the back of the vehicle and keep going, that way the guy would have to turn around.

I told them if you run, he probably won't shoot. If he shoots, he'll probably miss. And if he hits you, you probably won't die. But if you get in the vehicle, I'll never see you again.

Now, if its me in that situation I'm "holding court in the street".

 

[Capt Steve]

Crime scene #2 is how law enforcement describes this scenario. NEVER allow yourself to be taken to another location. Far better to flee or fight it out then be taken somewhere else where in all likely hood you will be assaulted or worse. Chances are if you flee and the BG shoots he will not hit you and if he does you will probably survive. At crime scene #2 your odds go way down as they are in control of everything and you are literally at their mercy...something these ***'s simply don't have.

 

[The Big D]

Pardon the CAPS, in advance of my using them herein...

ABSOLUTELY NO! I WILL NEVER ALLOW MYSELF TO BE TAKEN TO ANOTHER LOCATION. PERIOD!

I HAVE IMPARTED THE SAME PHILOSOPHY TO MY LOVED ONES AND FRIENDS. NEVER SHOULD THEY COOPERATE IN ANY WAY. THAT'S TO THE EXTENT THAT SHOULD ANYONE HOP INTO THEIR VEHICLE, POINT A GUN TO THEIR HEAD, AND SAY DRIVE. THEY WILL, I SURELY HOPE, FOLLOW MY ADVICE AND THROW THE KEYS OUT THE WINDOW TO BE FOLLOWED BY THEMSELVES OUT THE DOOR. SHOULD EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES SOMEHOW PRECLUDE THE FOREGOING, THEY ARE TO HIT A FIXED OBJECT IN A TIMELY MANNER. INSOFAR AS IS PRACTICABLE, SAID FIXED OBJECT SHOULD BE IN A WELL-TRAVELED/POPULATED AREA. IF POSSIBLE, NEAR A POLICE OR FIRE STATION.

YES, I HAVE CONSIDERED AND DISCUSSED THIS.

Sorry for the CAPS.

Be safe.

 

[feralmerril]

Probley the worst example of this was officers campbell and hettinger from the book, "The onion field".

The Onion Field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Kelly Green]

A good argument for concealed carry. If you are carrying and if you are lucky, the only one being transported to a second location will be the perp…to the county morgue.

 

[zoom6zoom]

If I'm gonna die, it's going to be on my feet, not on my knees.

 

[sipowicz]

It happened to me once...two guys pulled up in a van and told me to get in or they'd kill me. I was scared to death but luckily the whole thing was a surprise party set up by my wife.

 

[The Last Standing Knight]

If I'm gonna die, it's going to be on my feet, not on my knees.

AMEN! Oh, and in regards to the person hoping in your vehicle....keep your doors locked and windows up at least half way. I have been approached by people at stop lights who had more alterior motives than mere panhandling...fortunately, it hasn't crossed the line yet....hope it never does. But it has come MIGHTY close!

 

[P&R Fan]

If it's a hostage situation and you are unarmed, then pretend to faint. Then their only choice is to carry you.
This is not recommended in other cases such as a sexual assault, but if they just want a hostage, it should work.

'Course I'd prolly fight anyway, but that's just me.
Jim

 

[Steve in Vermont]

On this same line, probably the stupidest writing I've ever seen comes from the shows on TV where a perp takes a person hostage and, when confronted by a LEO, tells the officer to drop his gun or he'll shoot the hostage. And the officer does. Now the perp has another hostage and another gun. I figured if I was ever confronted by this situation I'd NEVER give up my gun, that I'd explain to the perp he has 2 choices, surrender and get a public defender or hurt the hostage and I'll execute him right then and there, regardless if he tries to surrender. Bottom line, the perp needs to understand, hostage dies, so do you. Any LEO out there with an opinion on this type of situation?

 

[oldman45]

On this same line, probably the stupidest writing I've ever seen comes from the shows on TV where a perp takes a person hostage and, when confronted by a LEO, tells the officer to drop his gun or he'll shoot the hostage. And the officer does. Now the perp has another hostage and another gun. I figured if I was ever confronted by this situation I'd NEVER give up my gun, that I'd explain to the perp he has 2 choices, surrender and get a public defender or hurt the hostage and I'll execute him right then and there, regardless if he tries to surrender. Bottom line, the perp needs to understand, hostage dies, so do you. Any LEO out there with an opinion on this type of situation?

Exactly correct. I was trained to NEVER give up my gun under any circumstance. Nor will I wait to be fired upon. The first shot will likely be mine.

 

[wheelgun28]

Many years ago friends of my wife's families son and his friend are at the mall. There are around high school age, just graduated or will soon( I for get its a while ago) Any how the friend has a nice jeep, the replacement CJ what ever it was, open sides, had nice rims. So as they are getting in the jeep some person (I would like to use another name) jumps them pulls a gun, tells them to drive. They all drive out of the mall to some vacant wooded lot. He tells them he just wants the truck and to get out and lay face down in the dirt. Well, they do it, the " person" then shoots them both in the back of the head point blank. The friend dies right there, the friends son some how turned his head and the bullet did the around the skull under the scalp thing, he lives. The "person" drives off. This kid is hurt but manages to go for help, he lives but it was a rough time for him. The cops catch the "person", its the "my baby didnt do nuffin" crowd. We lost track of these folks over the years.

So to me in this situation, never lay down, never go in the back room, freezer ect.

Crash the car into a pole or tree if need be. Find your chance and take it, even if its a small chance. Id rather die trying than take one in the back of the head laying in the dirt.

Lesson learned

Student Is Indicted for Murder In Rockland County Carjacking - NYTimes.com

People v Edward L. Summers :: July, 2005 :: New York Appellate Division, Second Department Decisions :: New York Case Law :: US Case Law :: US Law :: Justia

 

[ladder13]

Many years ago friends of my wife's families son and his friend are at the mall. There are around high school age, just graduated or will soon( I for get its a while ago) Any how the friend has a nice jeep, the replacement CJ what ever it was, open sides, had nice rims. So as they are getting in the jeep some person (I would like to use another name) jumps them pulls a gun, tells them to drive. They all drive out of the mall to some vacant wooded lot. He tells them he just wants the truck and to get out and lay face down in the dirt. Well, they do it, the " person" then shoots them both in the back of the head point blank. The friend dies right there, the friends son some how turned his head and the bullet did the around the skull under the scalp thing, he lives. The "person" drives off. This kid is hurt but manages to go for help, he lives but it was a rough time for him. The cops catch the "person", its the "my baby didnt do nuffin" crowd. We lost track of these folks over the years.

So to me in this situation, never lay down, never go in the back room, freezer ect.

Crash the car into a pole or tree if need be. Find your chance and take it, even if its a small chance. Id rather die trying than take one in the back of the head laying in the dirt.

Lesson learned

Student Is Indicted for Murder In Rockland County Carjacking - NYTimes.com

People v Edward L. Summers :: July, 2005 :: New York Appellate Division, Second Department Decisions :: New York Case Law :: US Case Law :: US Law :: Justia

Hard to believe that was 17 years ago, seems like just yesterday. I remember it well, was a sad event. There used to be a Jeep dealer right across RT59 opposite the mall, I bought a Wrangler from them in 88.

 

[kraigwy]

Here is a trick you should try, (and practice).

Get a buddy, set out a target. Have the buddy point a pistol at the target. Tell him to shoot when he see's you start to draw. Then draw and shoot. 95% of the time you'll get the shot off before you buddy does. You can increase the odds if you get the buddy talking. If he's talking, you can get the shot off about 99 9/10s % first.

I know you wont believe this, but try it. I use to have officers do this when I was a LE firearms instructor. It was about the time the Onion Field Story came out. We started pushing that you NEVER GIVE UP YOUR GUN.

They always think they can shoot before you can draw. Even with the buddy KNOWING you're gonna draw, if he doesn't shoot until you make the move you can beat him

 

[Capt Steve]

It happened to me once...two guys pulled up in a van and told me to get in or they'd kill me. I was scared to death but luckily the whole thing was a surprise party set up by my wife.

and you sleep with this woman???

 

[mc5aw]

I think such situations come down simply to control ... who has it and maintains it, and who loses it. In a life threatening scenario, you want to gain/maintain as much control as possible, whether it be physical, strategic, etc. If you do exactly as the BG says (getting in vehicle, etc.) you have zero control ... and that is a certain recipe for disaster as your fate is completely out of your control. Fighting back, running, etc. allows a minimum of control for yourself, and certainly increases the odds of escape/survival.

 

[sipowicz]

and you sleep with this woman???

I shouldn't...but her girlfriend is so cute.