What would be an adequate calibre for a handgun in bear country???

This subject is debated constantly around here. In tyhe late 70s early 80s Dept of the Interior USGS and BLM had several maulings and two fatalities. When I worked for BLM in 1984 they had a study which disqualified all hand guns and shot guns with buck shot past 5 yards. Slugs were good only to 10 yards. These were shots fired into bear hides and carcases. The large brown bear was the problem. 7MM Magnum would blow up on bone as would the .338 at these close ranges. With out trying to go through several pages the best choice was the .375 H&H no suprise there but the recommended was the 30-06 with 220 grain slugs as they found they could teach the largest number of employees to shoot it well. Remember this was 30 years ago some of the new calibers and ammo may be different. The Bear hasn't changed large animal protected vitals and very low pulse rate so it bleeds out slow.
 
That "If food was no longer available how long would you last?" thread got me to thinking about bears. What would be the minimum calibre for a bear gun that would be strong enough to stop a charging bear while at the same time fit in a gun light enough to carry all day on my hip?

Oh man, you did it now. I never thought you'd stoop so low as to a "bear" thread. Sorry I'm late to the party and havn't read all the posts. I'm just wingin-it. Thats just 45-70 MEAN!;)
 
A .22 is all ya really need.
Put the barrel in the bear's ear - pull the trigger several times - problem solved.

A 45-70 revolver would be nice - A bit of a drag toting one about though.
The .22 is much lighter, easier to carry, and faster to get into that ear.

Yep - A .22 is all ya really need...
 
A Montana game warden was pinned down by a grizzly they were relocating. He was armed with a S&W M-66 with 158 grain ammo. I was unable to learn just which load.

He fired all six shots in a panic. One hit a vital zone and killed the bear, saving the warden. There were a number of witnesses, inc. a former outdoor magazine editor who wrote it up for publication.

I also know of a case where a man being dragged off by an African lion killed it by stabbing it in the heart. His blade was just six inches long, but worked.

The game warden was Lou Kis and he was using 158 grain JHP's in that gun. Four shots hit the bear in the head but would not penetrate, one missed and the fifth went into the bear's throat and broke his spine. I would have to say Mr. Kis was a pretty cool customer to get five out of six shots on target all the while with the bear biting down on his leg.

Loaded for Bear: Handgun Self-Defense for Bears - Gun News at Guns.com
 
The caliber isn't as important as the lube you use. When carrying in bear country your best hope is a gun lubed with bacon grease. When you unload on the bear you can throw the gun at him and pray he stops to lick the grease.
Dang...you beat me to it...
 
"calibre"?

Caj have you gone Continental?

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Ummm ... Caje, they even got bears down there? Or are you plannin' on travel?

One of the conditions was that you'd be havin' it on your hip all the time. Its easy to carry a gun when you're out walkin and stuff. But if its a heavy one, you'll want it off your hip as soon as you can. Which pretty much limits you to one of the ultra light guns. I'm not sure if the caliber makes a whole lot of difference. I think the general consensus will be the 44 mag isn't heavy enough, so the 41 and 357 are even more marginal. So the whole answer depends on how light you're willing to go. If you accept the 357, you really have a little choice because you can carry one of the painful Js, or one of the 386s.

My original thought was .458 and I still think I'd feel OK with one. Even a little wimpy .30-30 would be better than a handgun. And I like the 12ga idea. But they don't fit on your hip. Basically the criteria eliminates any really effective gun. That being the case, hire a body guard. Or live in a tank.
 
A .22 is all ya really need.
Put the barrel in the bear's ear - pull the trigger several times - problem solved.

A 45-70 revolver would be nice - A bit of a drag toting one about though.
The .22 is much lighter, easier to carry, and faster to get into that ear.

Yep - A .22 is all ya really need...
Stick it in it's ear.....okaaayyy...sounds good to me. Let me know how that works out for ya....;)
 
I once read of an individual who killed a grizzly with 6 shots from his .22 caliber revolver.

Therefore using some logic a .22 revolver is quite suitable for grizzly.

All of his shots were in the roof of the grizzly's mouth. So one has to get close to be effective.......
Just curious...was the shooter IN the bears mouth when he shot it....?
 
I have enjoyed bear stories for many years. My Dad got me interested in reading about bears, especially big bears. Grizzly's, Browns, Kodiak. One story that stands out involved two friends that were in the military in Alaska. They were air-sea rescue or the like, and were obviously in extremely good shape, and in their late 20's or early 30's as I remember. They were experienced hunters that knew the terrain well, and were prepared with the proper gear for their hunt. Had they not been trained and conditioned the way they were, they would simply have died. They shot a sow who ended up ambushing them. She was on one of them, and it became necessary for one friend to shoot the bear while it was on his buddy. The bullet passed through the bear, and into his friend, his leg I think, who had already been "run over" by this wounded bear. They got out of there, having to traverse a fairly large lake in weather that had turned extremely bad, the one guy carrying the other. They went back by chopper and got the trophy, which was a record size bear with a neck that was 30" +. But the description of the bear, and it's power was what impressed me. They said that after their initial shot; and they had very serious rifles with silver tip ammo of some kind that was very thoroughly described, that the bear was relatively easy to track, because it went through a grove of smaller 4-6" trees, alders I think, just like a bulldozer! The wounded man was soon to be married, with his friend (who shot him) as his best man. The wedding went as scheduled, albeit with the groom in a wheel chair. The story was probably 10-20 years ago, but it was dramatic enough that it may still be around somewhere. Some of you all may remember it. My thought was that even with the guns and preparation these guys had, all they did was shoot a bulldozer and make it mad! The other extreme in bear encounters that I read involved two brothers who were hiking in Yellowstone, or somewhere like that-a national park (no guns at this point) when they were charged by Mr. Grizzly. They turned and rebuked it in the name of Jesus in unison, and the bear turned around and fled. So here is my order of response to large threatening creatures, bears especially: first, The name of Jesus, followed, if necessary, by bear spray, and finally, an M-60 machine gun with a 100 round belt. Flapjack.
 
I've been fortunate to have bowhunted in Bear & wolf country in Canada, Colorado and in(DG) Dangerous Game country in South Africa, I've also knife hunted boar in Tn & TX. The best gun in the world to have is the one you have mastered. In Africa they say always use enough gun...but, you need to be able to shot it well.

The 2nd part of the equation is you. If you can not master your own fear you are already lost. I've seen more than one big tough hombre freeze up hog hunting, when a black bear snapped its teeth or when the wolves howled 100yrds out.

I think the 2nd part is more important with DG as you can not reason with a 4 legged threat and reloading is seldom an option.

About 8 yrs ago I bought a Freedom Arms model 83 in .454 to carry as a belly gun while Bowhunting Elk in SE Colorado. We keep a few shotguns in camp in case we got an Elk down and only carried them when packing meat. This was a Black bear area, to the best of our knowledge no Griz or Wolfs. We did find one set of Cougar tracks at the timber line.

I realized pretty fast that I was better off putting 6 on target with my .44 than 2 in the same time with the .454. So, the .44 was retained as my belly gun. For me the .44 mag is the best handgun to carry in the field. My favorite round is CorBon 320G HC

For Griz, Brownies, Wolves I would not want to be afield with out at least a 12g a with slugs, better a .45-70 and preferably .458win...LOTT would be better still.

Of course your best weapon is still your mind. Don'y go afield unarmed . The whole point is NOT getting into a fight with a bear in the 1st place. Woodsman skill save more lives than firearms.
 
A .22 is all ya really need.
Put the barrel in the bear's ear - pull the trigger several times - problem solved.

A 45-70 revolver would be nice - A bit of a drag toting one about though.
The .22 is much lighter, easier to carry, and faster to get into that ear.

Yep - A .22 is all ya really need...

Knock yourself out with that 22 idea, personally I'd NEVER go that route.
 
New model S&W

The best thing for bear country is the new Smith & Wesson Model 577, it is a 5 shot in .577 Nitro-Express. No longer loaded with Cordite, this modernized cartridge uses 147grains of that old favorite Bullseye behind a 500 grain solid.
The revolver is available with either 6" or 8 3/8" barrels.
S&W is prepared to guarantee that a center body hit will kill a Brown Bear.
 
I live just over the mountain from where the MT game warden shot the bear. Here are the pics. As you can see it happened so fastI find it hard to believe the warden had time to shoot. NOTICE! He is carrying a S&W in his holster!. I read it was a 44 mag and a 357 mag both. I don't know the truth but I bet I could find out if I had a mind to.
 

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Last fall a griz got into my garage! Because she could!

There she is in my front yard! 30 yards from my front door.

John
 

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