fredj338
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Yeah auto correct sucks.
Unless some dork froze the panballs, they sting a bit, nothing like a hammer blow though. If shot with a paintball I wont be returnimg fire.
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Unless some dork froze the panballs, they sting a bit, nothing like a hammer blow though. If shot with a paintball I wont be returnimg fire.
Rastoff
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In the USA it should be a reasonable thought that you can walk on a public street, even at night, without fear of being shot. Alas, this is not true anymore.
In CA an assault must meet three criteria in order to legally use deadly force to counter it:
- The assault must be intentional.
- The assault must be imminent.
- The force used to counter it must be necessary.
If someone was on the street and accidentally fired a paintball gun and it hit you, it's no intentional. If they shoulder the gun and fire, then it's intentional.
If you're being hit by a projectile fired from a gun, the assault is past imminent and meets the second criteria.
The question comes down to, did you have to use deadly force to counter the assault? If you believe the gun is real and another person in a similar situation, who has average skill and awareness, also believes it was real, then deadly force is justified.
MY OPINION
In the totality of circumstances I don't think my (or anyone's) mind would work fast enough to think "Those are paintballs."
MY EXPERIENCE
1. I'm not walking around LA after dark. I used to when I was younger but I'm older and wiser now. So I'm not there anyway.
2. You come rolling up and stop right next to me and I'm going to assume it's an ambush and I'm at least going to begin to respond in kind. At the very least I'm going to be reaching for my gun. Add to that that I'm seeing (what looks like) a gun poke out the window. I don't think my brain is going to catch up fast enough to stop me from shooting.
I don't often agree with Fred but (With the exception of Scripture) truer words have never been spoken
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Inusuit
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Had a similar encounter years ago. Car full of kids with a realistic looking squirt gun shot it through my open driver's side window. Frankly, they were gone before I could react. Took awhile for my heart rate to go down even though it was almost immediately apparent there was no lethal threat.
Not at all. Someone using nonlethal force (bear spray) in Portland got turned off immediately by someone using lethal force. The lethal force user was charged with 2nd degree murder and got turned off by arresting officers near his home.
A marginal shooting will very likely get you charged; maybe you'll eventually get acquitted, maybe not. Your defense will cost about what a nice used Cessna 172 would. Maybe you'll prevail in the later wrongful death suit, but likely not. That response will cost you even more.
Not shooting people is better, both for police and civilians.
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flagman1776
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Let me walk through this... you and yours have been fired upon and hit. In the drive by scenario, it's unlikely you'll have a shot... they are likely gone. If they are stationary, and you are still under the muzzle... your best move would be to cover first. Secondarily drawing as you can. You have no opportunity to evaluate the injuries, if any. Paint ball or live ammo? As soon as possible, you should investigate the wounds and render first aid.
This is truly the best answer.
Just a bit South of Los Angeles, it is my understanding that over 20,000 Orange County residents have permits.
Yup!
And:
In some jurisdictions anything that discharges a projectile using compressed air or spring pressure is considered a "firearm"!
Heard it from a friend!
P.S. Orange County, CA: A bicyclist was shot by joyriding teens with a paintball gun. The bicyclist lost control and fell off hitting his head and died. I don't recall the exact disposition of the case but I recall it didn't end well for the perpetrators.
Smiles,
Without any political commentary, I don't care whether you're in LA, NYC, Dallas, or Podunk Holler. I didn't see the original post before it was amended. Still, no political issues follow.
Assumption 1 for this post. You are legally carrying a handgun.
Assumption 2 for this post. You literally see a handgun being pointed at you, regardless if it's out of a car window or a doorway; whatever.
Assumption 3 for this post. The handgun you saw fires and you are hit and you know that you are hit. (This is actually almost irrelevant!)
Firing a weapon in self defense is always justified. It is justified in defense of third parties as well. Never mind the twisting of justification by the political motivations of the local DA, Sheriff, or Police Chief. Keep it simple for this post.
YES, you pull your weapon. Legal. Period. A lawful "movement" under the circumstances.
YES, you are justified in firing your weapon. Legal. A lawful "movement" or action permissible under the circumstances.
The law does not require you to make a determination if the bone head threatening you is using a toy or a real weapon. If you feel there is a threat of death or serious bodily harm you are justified in pulling your self defense tool and then using it.
It's really quite that simple. Anything else is superfluous commentary.
And being hit by rubber bullets or paintball pellets is irrelevant. Your immediate perception rules.
And yes, that's my free legal opinion and I have a law license hanging on my wall. I just waved at it to see if it was awake. It is.
And:
In some jurisdictions anything that discharges a projectile using compressed air or spring pressure is considered a "firearm"!
Heard it from a friend!
P.S. Orange County, CA: A bicyclist was shot by joyriding teens with a paintball gun. The bicyclist lost control and fell off hitting his head and died. I don't recall the exact disposition of the case but I recall it didn't end well for the perpetrators.
Smiles,
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Protected One
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What is the point in 'carrying' if you aren't going to use it to defend yourself in a situation that an reasonable person would view as an attack?
A key component part of common sense is the determination and mitigation of risk. In this scenario, I would have stayed home.
Walk after dark? Consider a treadmill if that's your only option.
Walk after dark? Consider a treadmill if that's your only option.
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REM 3200
US Veteran
Isn't that the reason that most people carry? "Just in case."
That is the only reason I go through the dress around the gun thing.
If there was no possibility of anyone threating me or my wife,
why would I need to carry?
Oracle
US Veteran
In my opinion responding to being shot by returning fire to protect your and your wife's lives isn't unreasonable.
Expecting the attacked person to instantly evaluate whether they have been shot by kids with a paint ball or a chunk of lead is unreasonable.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Expecting the attacked person to instantly evaluate whether they have been shot by kids with a paint ball or a chunk of lead is unreasonable.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
draw while hitting the deck
(greatly reduces available area for return fire / most would assume you are done for when you drop, little do they know you train to fire from that position)
empty carry piece into perp without missing a beat
reload
stand up
dust off
call for the meat wagon
(greatly reduces available area for return fire / most would assume you are done for when you drop, little do they know you train to fire from that position)
empty carry piece into perp without missing a beat
reload
stand up
dust off
call for the meat wagon
fredj338
Member
Well sure but reality says you shouldnt walk in NYC or Chicago or Oakand or LA at night. Again, I foubt I start putting rounds on a person shooting me with paintballs. Then again, that exact scenario hasnt happened.
fredj338
Member
Wel I agree but imo, at least 50% of those ccw dont practice & have almost zero skill. So they carry it like a rabbits foot, to feel comfy. I dont feel I need a gun, I just like being prepared. Yet I train & practice I have taken a trauma course, carry a fire ext in my car & a med kit. Being prepared is just incase.
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If we're talking about Los Angeles city and county (because of the article) ...
If the LASD sheriff holds true to his comments about a 400% increase in CCW licenses for 2020, there may be a whopping 1000 licenses issued this year. In a county of more than 10,000,000 people (not including visitors).
I haven't kept up on the LAPD issuance of CCW's, but I'd not be surprised to learn it numbers this year in the low or middle double digits.
That said, unless someone is visiting from out-of-town or county, and has had a CCW license issued by from another county/city, the odds of someone in Los Angeles County or city being lawfully armed with a concealed handgun ... and being in the wrong place at the wrong time to be selected as a paintball shooting victim by some idiot going a drive-by paintball shooting ... probably makes this a moot (or very low incidence) question.
Now, shooting paint balls at an (unknowingly) armed criminal on the street? Uh huh. A statistical blip in the reported crimes.
Shooting at an off-duty cop? If the off-duty cop thinks he/she's been shot by bullets, and doesn't realize it's a paint ball shooting? Paperwork will likely ensue, no matter which way it goes.
Who goes walking in much of Los Angeles after dark, anyway?
If the LASD sheriff holds true to his comments about a 400% increase in CCW licenses for 2020, there may be a whopping 1000 licenses issued this year. In a county of more than 10,000,000 people (not including visitors).
I haven't kept up on the LAPD issuance of CCW's, but I'd not be surprised to learn it numbers this year in the low or middle double digits.
That said, unless someone is visiting from out-of-town or county, and has had a CCW license issued by from another county/city, the odds of someone in Los Angeles County or city being lawfully armed with a concealed handgun ... and being in the wrong place at the wrong time to be selected as a paintball shooting victim by some idiot going a drive-by paintball shooting ... probably makes this a moot (or very low incidence) question.
Now, shooting paint balls at an (unknowingly) armed criminal on the street? Uh huh. A statistical blip in the reported crimes.
Shooting at an off-duty cop? If the off-duty cop thinks he/she's been shot by bullets, and doesn't realize it's a paint ball shooting? Paperwork will likely ensue, no matter which way it goes.
Who goes walking in much of Los Angeles after dark, anyway?
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