What would you rate the finish on this HD at?

[Onomea]

Originally posted by oldflatfoot: To recap this subject, it was titled "What would you rate the finish on this HD at?" Apparently, some misinterpret that as a question concerning overall condition grading. I pause to remark again, that they are two seperate questions and that the latter, was never posed by the author of this post...

Interesting distinction you are making there, Lefty. I had not thought about that. I wonder about the interplay between condition and finish. One could not have a gun in 100% condition without a 100% finish, I don't think.. Then again, so far as I know no one uses percentages for condition (unless by condition they mean "finish"), or at least I don't think so.

I do agree that one could have a gun in mechanically excellent condition with a 50% finish, but then I think one says "mechanically."

I dunno. Whatta you think? Does anyone say "this gun is mechanically 90%?" I think percentages refer to finish only..

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

Originally posted by Onomea:

Originally posted by oldflatfoot: To recap this subject, it was titled "What would you rate the finish on this HD at?" Apparently, some misinterpret that as a question concerning overall condition grading. I pause to remark again, that they are two seperate questions and that the latter, was never posed by the author of this post...

Interesting distinction you are making there, Lefty. I had not thought about that. I wonder about the interplay between condition and finish. One could not have a gun in 100% condition without a 100% finish, I don't think.. Then again, so far as I know no one uses percentages for condition (unless by condition they mean "finish"), or at least I don't think so.

I do agree that one could have a gun in mechanically excellent condition with a 50% finish, but then I think one says "mechanically."

I dunno. Whatta you think? Does anyone say "this gun is mechanically 90%?" I think percentages refer to finish only..

Arlo;

I don't imagine most of us rate the mechanical condition by percentage either. Rather, descriptions such as Jim Supica has pointed out previously, are necessary to flesh out a more comprehensive accounting of the arms overall condition. Scratches, pitting, patina, bore and rifling condition, action/lockwork issues or condition, grip/stock condition, missing or altered parts, etc. These are the sum of features one should include in grading overall condition. A percentage rating estimate should, IMO, refer only to the finish, and is merely one individual factor in grading condition . Words like, Fine, Fair, Good, Very Good, Excellent all conjure up another set of descriptions subject to the same sort of subjective interpretations and aren't much more helpful.

My point is that many folks do indeed often intepret condition and finish to mean the same thing, when utilizing the finish percentage rating system. To that end, percentages shouldn't be thought of as a panacea. I think this is the reason we see many dealers at online auction venues rely upon a series of photos, rather than attempting to articulate descriptions that are nearly without merit. Dick Burg's remarks captured the spirit of this I think. In the end, it is highly interpretive and will never be an exact science.

Edited to add;

This fine condition highly collectible, 50% + original finish M&P. Showing very minor handling wear. Professionally customized trigger guard.

 

[Onomea]

Thanks, Lefty. I appreciate the education.

Love that pic and description!

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

Arlo;

I might have been a little conservative on the finish percentage, do ya think?

 

[gizamo]

Wonder what Mike would give it

Giz

 

[rburg]

Actually, Lefty has a fine gun there. Its a great conversation piece.

Years ago I bought a Triple Lock. I paid about $150 for it, and it was grossly overpriced. I bought it because I thought it would be a fun gun to own, and it had an interesting serial number. I thought better of it and decided to sell it. At a yard sale we'd gone to at some time prior, I picked up a box full of baskets. A few of them were each worth more than the total. But one of the worst baskets I used to sell the gun. We wired the gun into the basket, eliminating any need for the obligatory wire tie. Then I sold it as a basket case!

Another, even bigger fool bought it from me.

My now deceased gunshow pard and very good friend had a very early Colt SAA. It had a super low and interesting serial #, and the condition, while a little worn, was great for a gun from the 1870s. Only one minor problem, it wasn't a gun, it was a movie prop. And he priced it at $500, just to attract the greedy. That gun generated more interest and conversations than I can believe. We had a lot of fun with that gun over the years. We moved it around on the table. We had a wire tie on it, but ended up cutting off a dozen times a show. Some spoil sport insisted on buying it one day. He wouldn't listen to reason, and just kept handing the $100 bills at John. When we were sure he understood what it was, John took the money.

Then that guy had fun with it, too. My guess is that John hadn't paid $100 for it when he got it. We had a blast with it for years, and then he sold it for that kind of profit.

 

[mikepriwer]

plus 5700 6000 6300 6600 7274

Dick

What are these numbers suppossed to mean ? I've been watching them
increase over time, and wonder what its all about.

Steve

As to the picture of that thing that Lefty posted, a couple of thoughts occur
to me. First, I wonder if that is one of his better pieces . Typically,
but not always, apparently, folks like to brag on this site ! Second, it
reminds of the last line in Wittgensteins treatise on logic: If what you
have asked is not a question, then there is no answer !

Regards, Mike Priwer

 

[rburg]

Originally posted by mikepriwer:

plus 5700 6000 6300 6600 7274

Dick

What are these numbers suppossed to mean ? I've been watching them
increase over time, and wonder what its all about.

Its the post count differential between our esteemed (or maybe just steamed) moderator

sprey and me. We've been joking about it for a long time now.

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

Originally posted by mikepriwer:

As to the picture of that thing that Lefty posted, a couple of thoughts occur
to me. First, I wonder if that is one of his better pieces . Typically,
but not always, apparently, folks like to brag on this site ! Second, it
reminds of the last line in Wittgensteins treatise on logic: If what you
have asked is not a question, then there is no answer !

Regards, Mike Priwer

No need to wonder. I'm sure you've seen a good number of my guns posted here over the past few years. But I have the distinct impression that you really want this one very badly. So let's come to terms.

Problem is though, it belonged to Ed McGivern's half witted Uncle's, horse dentist's, bearded midget step daughter who stole the gun, then ran off with a gypsy snake oil salesman that performed in a travelling carnival. She was accidentally killed, stepped on and crushed by a rogue elephant, while she was packing that iron. They buried her in one of Ed's 20 gallon hats, in Great Falls, MT. Mourners at the funeral remarked that the deceased looked a lot taller as a result. She certainly was thinner.

It was a real tragedy and it has been suggested that "Ed", also pre-eminent among the vertically challenged, wept profusely upon learning the sad news and lamented, "Damn, I was hoping that M&P would go to Mike Priwer's collection".

(I didn't realize you were THE Mike Priwer, or such an old bastard either.

No offense intended, it takes one to know one.

With this sort of provenance, I think you must agree by your own standards that it be considered an "important" revolver, as you have characterized that particular egocentric distinction in so many previous commentaries.

So Mike, I'm afraid it won't be cheap...but, I'll consider a trade plus cash or perhaps I'd consider a few of your "important" specimens for a straight trade. But after all, I seriously doubt you have anything as thought provoking as this fine S&W collectible. More importantly, I just don't think you grasp the finer subtleties of grading condition, so I'll have to insist on a 3 day return privilege until I'm confident that you have learned how to properly grade condition.

My apologies in advance to;
Gypsie's
Snake Oil Salesman
Little People
Elephant's (Living and Dead)
Bearded Women Everywhere
Half Wits (Except for one

How would he know? He's a half wit!!)
Horse Dentist's

Edited to add;

"For most humanoids, a little levity is more enviable than a one sentence quote from a treatise on logic." Mr. Spock

 

[handejector]

My apologies in advance to;
Gypsie's
Snake Oil Salesman
Little People
Elephant's (Living and Dead)
Bearded Women Everywhere
Half Wits (Except for one How would he know? He's a half wit!!)
Horse Dentist's

Lefty,
Maybe I'm overly sensitive, but shouldn't you also have apologized to:

carnies
Great Falls
step-daughters everywhere
Ed McGivern
tall people
thinner people
M&P's
Uncles
rouges
Mourners(living and dead)
old people
bastards
????

 

[Onomea]

Lefty... You're killin' me!!!

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

Originally posted by handejector:

My apologies in advance to;
Gypsie's
Snake Oil Salesman
Little People
Elephant's (Living and Dead)
Bearded Women Everywhere
Half Wits (Except for one How would he know? He's a half wit!!)
Horse Dentist's

Lefty,
Maybe I'm overly sensitive, but shouldn't you also have apologized to:

carnies
Great Falls
step-daughters everywhere
Ed McGivern
tall people
thinner people
M&P's
Uncles
rouges
Mourners(living and dead)
old people
bastards
????

Lee:

Well, I concede that I have utterly overlooked those few but deserving categories from my heartfelt abject apologies. However, I pause now to express my sincere remorse and only hope that the most "important" of my peer group, i.e. "Old Bastards", will accept my hand in the spirit of reconciliation. I am deeply grateful for you pointing out this tragic, but innocent oversight.

In pennance for this cardinal sin, I will wear my Ed Mc Givern style, swollen head 20 Gallon chapeau in public for a full week, then buy a ticket to the circus where I will try to pick up some old person's tall and thin step-daughter who is in mourning for her Uncle and behave like a complete rogue and scoundrel, all while packing an M&P Target I bought from a dealer in Great Falls. According to the name that was written inside the old aftermarket target grips it came with, we believe it may have once belonged to Ed's brother, Emmet Mc Givern. I think you will agree that if this provenance can be verified, it would then make that particular M&P "an important gun" by association?

As for Great Falls, at large, the best I can offer is that I promise never to visit there again. They probably would run me out on a rail now.....after being tarred and feathered. Or worse still, insist that I re read that damn tediously written "Ed Mc Givern's Book" as punishment. That would be entirely insufferable.

Edited to add;

Well, I'm off to Barnum & Bailey's in my Clown-Mobile!

It's a darn good thing I bought one with a sunroof!

Arlo;

Laughter is the best medicine....except for Bourbon! Cheers!

 

[handejector]

Lefty,
You jus' don' know when to quit- you "went and done it agin" as we say in Georgia.
Now you owe an apology to:
cardinals
scoundrels
Emmet McGivern
Barnum & Bailey
Clowns everywhere(living and dead)
Mobile, Al.

 

[handejector]

Lefty?.......



Lefty?.........


must still be shacked up with that tall old clown's uncle's midget stepdaughter............