What's up with 2400??

[Berserker]

ZOMBIE THREAD ALERT!
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Why start a thread, when one has already been started? IMO you should build on what was already discussed. Not to mention it is not even year old, but I don't care if 5 years have passed.

I was googling this, and came across a number of sites discussing this.

 

[elpac3]

2400

Over the past 40 years I have worked up many loads with many powders. Finally came to my senses and settled on the trinity Bullseye-Unique-2400.

2400 has gone into my 44 mag, 44 special, 357 mag, .22 hornet and .30 cal carbine - all with great results.

BE goes into the target loads and Unique goes into the middle of the road loads.

I have found with 2400, the best performance comes with the upper end loads.

 

[fredj338]

I'm not sure if it's the powder I love to hate, or the one I hate to love. if it weren't so dam accurate I wouldn't go near it. the diff between 1 1/4" and 2" @ 25 yds might just be the shooter, not the load, unless the gun is in a vice or repeated numerous times. regardless it's very good. my belief is that it does not burn completely, so to keep adding more powder is a waste. may as well use the least amt that gives you the best accuracy, unless you have a chrono and are a velocity freak. to me it seems loud and recoils a lot. I limit it to larger calibers and longer bbl.'s. you may want to experiment with lower charge wt's and diff primers. or leave good enough alone, which is almost impossible for reloaders. and OK if you want to be doubted. how do we know for sure it was 25 yd's not 25', lol, jk. nice shooting.

Well with slower powders, loading light can make them very dirty, not enough pressure to get the powder to burn completely. SO yes, in many powders, adding more makes them shoot "cleaner". If you want lower vel, use a faster powder, not less of a slower powder.

 

[Rule3]

Why start a thread, when one has already been started? IMO you should build on what was already discussed. Not to mention it is not even year old, but I don't care if 5 years have passed.

I was googling this, and came across a number of sites discussing this.

No problem with bringing up an old thread if the initial OP was discussing Jacketed bullets. The thread drifted to Nosler bullets when it was about lead bullets.? Seems like a different topic.

Different bullet, different test, different indicated velocities.

Nosler also indicates that their load is the most accurate tested

Regardless, I think I still answered your question

 

[Maximumbob54]

ZOMBIE THREAD ALERT!

Ha! I didn't notice...

I was just going to mention that 2400 has made the best cast bullet rifle loads I've ever made for old milsurp rifles.

 

[boatbum101]

I too am a 2400 fan . I've used 13.5 - 14.0 with the Lyman 358429 or 358156 in 357 for years & with the HP versions 15.0grs . My 38/44 I use 12.5grs with either of the above . Have also used it in all kinds of cast loads for milsurp rifles & in 22 Hornet also . Another good combo for me has been ( 357 mag ) 16.0grs with a HP 358477 ( 150gr ) . Explosive performance on on bobcats , foxes , coyotes & other vermin .

 

[Rule3]

OK, since this thread has drifted but still about 2400 powder.

I'll add this. I am not advocating going against any published data and I do not even recommend using Max loads except for perhaps hunting needs. It is pretty difficult to blow up a gun with very slow powders when the case is near maximum capacity as in 2400 and max loads.

Hornandy lists a Max of 14.3 grains with their 158 gr XTP

Lyman lists 14.9 with the same bullet!

Speer lists 14.8 with their 158 GD

Nosler lists 12.3 gr with their bullet (listed also as most accurate and is at 81% load density)

If you look at the start loads for Hornady they are way lower than Speer and Lyman, Nosler only gives a 1.0 gr difference?

Is their bullet that much different than Hornady or Speer? I doubt it.

It's up to the reloader to do the math and decide what load is worth it and safe to use.

 

[Fishslayer]

[threadjack]

I actually use Green Dot in my .38, 9mm and .45ACP target loads. I discovered it in '09 when Bullseye was unobtanium. It's a bit slower than Bullseye and load data is almost identical but it's about 1/3 more bulky so the 9mm case starts getting kinda full at about 4.2-ish gr.

[/threadjack] Carry on...

My turn to play !!

Ups just delivered the goodies.................
I was down to 150 pistol and shotgun primers !!

"Back in the saddle again............."

 

[Nevada Ed]

Rule3;

that Hornady data is very close to a factory loading.

With that load and a 158 xtp at 1.58 oal and a medium heavy crimp a 6" magnum should get around 1274 fps, +/- .

I see no reason why the Lyman load in a L frame would not work, also. One might have to "Crawl" up to that load if using it in a K frame, though.

 

[Rule3]

Rule3;

that Hornady data is very close to a factory loading.

With that load and a 158 xtp at 1.58 oal and a medium heavy crimp a 6" magnum should get around 1274 fps, +/- .

I see no reason why the Lyman load in a L frame would not work, also. One might have to "Crawl" up to that load if using it in a K frame, though.

I do not have a issue or question about it

The question was about Nosler and their lower charge.

 

[forestswin]

...............Another good combo for me has been ( 357 mag ) 16.0grs with a HP 358477 ( 150gr ) . Explosive performance on on bobcats , foxes , coyotes & other vermin .

OK, since this thread has drifted but still about 2400 powder.

okay, since we already have some thread drift

What about 2400 loads and how it does with BEARS???????

 

[Ben_hutcherson]

I did a full work-up with 2400 from the minimum to the maximum load listed in my Lyman manual for a 160gr bullet.

I settled on 13.5gr under this same bullet. I haven't chronoed this load yet(I need another nice day to set up the chrono) but it is close in felt recoil to the 158gr "budget" loads I've shot, specifically American Eagle and Blazer Brass.

 

[Berserker]

I have a L frame, but I am loading this for an old model Blackhawk. I don't want to sound reckless, but I would like to try so stout louds, not above normal limits though. Nosler says that is the most accurate load, so I loaded some.

 

[Nevada Ed]

Rule3;

"The question was about Nosler and their lower charge. "

On the internet, Nosler load data, is very safe but.......
the 9mm 115gr with SR4756 is at 8.5grs.

Higher than IMR data and Speer #8 !!

You never know.

 

[Rule3]

I bought some Sierra 308, 169 gr Matchking bullets today at a discount price

 

[Rule3]

I have a L frame, but I am loading this for an old model Blackhawk. I don't want to sound reckless, but I would like to try so stout louds, not above normal limits though. Nosler says that is the most accurate load, so I loaded some.

How about look at it this way. You have a Nosler bullet but say you did not have Nosler data and only had Hornady, Speer and Alliant what powder charge would you use? (hint hint)

PS: don't believe anything about reloading on the internet forums, except from the powder and bullet companies.

 

[ostlund]

+ another like post for 2400. In addition to the good groups it makes I really appreciate the charge weight range it offers. Great versatility that 296 and 110 cannot provide. I only use it for .44 mag but my loads aren't to squeeze the last velocity out of them. That is only one performance parameter.

 

[Berserker]

How about look at it this way. You have a Nosler bullet but say you did not have Nosler data and only had Hornady, Speer and Alliant what powder charge would you use? (hint hint)

PS: don't believe anything about reloading on the internet forums, except from the powder and bullet companies.

I have the Nosler book, and Nosler bullets.

There is lots of discussion on the internet on Noslers load being low, 12.3 for 158 grain JHP. When googling it, this one of the forums discussing it.

 

[Berserker]

My manual for Nosler says max 12.3 of 2400. .

. Nosler says that is the most accurate load, so I loaded some.

(hint hint)

I am jsut wondering why Noslers loads are less then others. I don't want to exceed what the manufacuter recomends.

 

[Rule3]

I am jsut wondering why Noslers loads are less then others. I don't want to exceed what the manufacuter recomends.

As I mentioned previously. It is just a different test. You will fine differences in just about every manual and bullet and caliber.

Hornady has a lot lower recipes for rifle like the 55 gr 223 then what Hodgdon says.

Just because they got the best accuracy out of their TEST barrel does not mean it will be the as accurate from your gun, not will the velocity be the same.