WHAT'S UP WITH 2400?

[bwxmas]

why do you think/suspect that Fin Feather Fur is selling on gunbroker by 'honker something' ?

I don't THINK, I KNOW.
I have bought from them, and Its right in the instructions if you read. They are slowing down, but at one time or another they have had all the pistols powders up there.
I Have plenty of powder, so I don't really care anymore. Some on this site are aggravated at what are considered gouger prices. I am just saying that this is one of those companies. The powder I bought averaged 38.00lb, but I needed it, and paid it.
In stead of calling me out on the forum, all you had to do was go to Gunbroker, and look.
They have sold literally tons of powder on GB..Not figuratively. Literally..
Here is one
Alliant Promo 8 Lbs : Reloading Supplies at GunBroker.com

Here are all their auctions..you can decide
http://www.gunbroker.com/Reloading-Supplies/BI.aspx?BuyNowOnly=1&Sort=5&IncludeSellers=1230088&Tab=2

 

[oldman10mm]

I wasn't 'calling you out',I was just asking. How else can I get the info without asking. Thank you for the 2 links.

 

[AveragEd]

I haven't experienced difficulties with powder availability but I don't shop where thousands - and that's a literal term, as I'll explain - of other shooters do. I shop at three local shops that have been in business a long time - 40+ years - and are not locked into a buying contract with any one wholesaler like Bass Pro Shop and Cabela's are. The shop where I buy the most has been in business 46 years but is only open two hours each weekday evening and two more on Saturday mornings. He buys from 17 distributors all over the country and always has what "no one" has.

Shyda's in Lebanon, PA is a large, popular shop but last summer, someone told me he was on a waiting list there for something with 2,600 other people! My reply was to ask him why he would shop where that many others are seeking the same thing. Small shops hereabouts have had everything but Clays powder and 22LR ammo all along and I found a rural shop last week that had a new shipment of Clays on the shelf and the owner claims he was only out of 22s for a total of two weeks!

You're likely thinking Ed's gone 'round the bend - why would small shops have inventory when the big ones don't? Well, let's do some thinking and role playing. Pretend you're a distributor and have orders on hand from numerous dealers. These days, turning operating capital over quickly is important so who would you ship to first, the dealers who pay on delivery or the ones to whom you extend payment terms? If you are a manufacturer, would you ship to distributors who pay right away or ones to whom you extend terms as long as six months?

Keep your eyes and ears open and do some asking around at the gun clubs to which you belong (you do belong to at least one, right?). You'll stumble upon gun shops by accident and the old guys at the club will know where gun shops are that you didn't know existed. Here are some examples of ones I found entirely by accident.

While sitting in traffic last summer, I noticed the name of a gun shop I had never heard of on the back window of an SUV in front of me. I called the telephone number for it and learned where it was - four miles away and I've lived in this area all of my 68 years! I'm a big Remington Model 700 fan and own over two dozen of them but had been thinking that I'd like to try a Savage and liked the Model 12BVSS. I had also been thinking that my next rife should be in 6.5-284 Norma. When I stopped in at that shop a few months later, there on the rack was a new 12BVSS in that very caliber. As Savage's catalog will reflect, that is not a regular production caliber for that model and that rifle was part of a special-run order from a distributor something like three years prior and had been sitting on that rack for that long. I bought that brand new limited production rifle that had an MSRP of $1,300 for $750.

That shop I found last week is out in the country - blink as you drive by and you'll miss it - but he has powder and 22s. He even has the discontinued IMR SR powders and wasn't aware that they are no longer made.

Small shops don't advertise and a lot of them don't even have a sign out front. I bought a new S&W E-Series 1911Sc being sold on GunBroker by a shop located in the rear of a family-owned pharmacy in the middle of a center-city residential area in Lancaster, PA. They have no signs outside or inside because they are in a school zone and there is an ordinance prohibiting the display of firearms or anything related to them in that area but mine was the 11th gun to leave that shop that day! They have hundreds of new S&Ws on hand.

The stuff we crave is out there - you just have to look for it.

Ed

 

[dmar]

I don't THINK, I KNOW.
I have bought from them, and Its right in the instructions if you read. They are slowing down, but at one time or another they have had all the pistols powders up there.
I Have plenty of powder, so I don't really care anymore. Some on this site are aggravated at what are considered gouger prices. I am just saying that this is one of those companies. The powder I bought averaged 38.00lb, but I needed it, and paid it.
In stead of calling me out on the forum, all you had to do was go to Gunbroker, and look.
They have sold literally tons of powder on GB..Not figuratively. Literally..
Here is one
Alliant Promo 8 Lbs : Reloading Supplies at GunBroker.com

Here are all their auctions..you can decide
Reloading Supplies for Sale - Buy Reloading Supplies Online at GunBroker.com

Good God, $85 for a pound of H322, or $280 for an 8 pound jug of Promo (w/ hazmat and delivery...)!!! They can certainly keep that powder.

Anyone know how much they charge in the store?

 

[oldman10mm]

Saturday,picked up a pounder of 2400 at the Middleburg Heights FFF store for 22.99 + Tx.

here's their current flyer
https://www.finfeatherfur.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Feb_Fishing_Web.pdf

their 4 stores are always busy with firearm,ammo,& reloading sales. Very popular up here in NE Ohio as the place to go for availability and pricing.
They currently don't have a normal website sales set up,but supposedly they're working on that.

check out this thread
http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/295559-ohio-folks-lucky.html

 

[LittleCooner]

I just looked at the Powder Valley website and they are out of most all powders. New policy to not accept backorders on powders, so the crunch is still going. I see one of the posters above was playing with VV N105 in 44 Special. Think I will try that in mine. I did pick up some VV N110 a couple of months ago and started a few loads in the 44 mag. I shot a lot of centerfire bench rest in the 90's and the VV powders became the rage due to clean burns and very low SD. I have developed loads for all the centerfire hunting rifles with the VV powders and do not have a problem paying a little more for them because they bring a smile to my face when I look at how close all the bullet holes are on any paper I shoot. The N110 is suppose to be in the range of you 2400 and looks fine to me for my very limited loads in the 44 mag. Powder Valley does have N105 in stock this morning. the following was captured from their web page:
VIHTAVUORI N105 - 1 LB. Yes $32.10

 

[fredj338]

This is what Neumann was talking about; Need 1 lb. of powder, buy eight lbs.. Need 1k primers? Buy 5 thousand. "Me, me, me! I want mine!!!"

I see it diff. The 1# guy also never has spare food in his pantry or a full tank of gas. It's just being prepared. You are right, I don't give a krap about the part time shooter that plans 1# & 1k primers ahead. He doesn't care if he shoots next month or next Xmas. I shoot weekly, if I want to maintaine that, I need to have a min of a yr in reserve. So I am always buying stuff. You & others may of course continue wishing for the old days.
Every time I hear someone use the term hoarding, I just hear whining because they have been a little slow wrapping their head around the new paradigm in our sport/hobby. Hoarding & stocking for the future, totally diff. If you are buying anything you don't plan on using, you are hoarding.

 

[LittleCooner]

They are not hoarders. That extreme accuracy competition taught me that a huge variance in different lots of the same powder can and does exist. If you get an accurate load worked up in your gun, you need the same lot of powder - that's the reason you buy in 8 pound jugs, not 1 pounders. This variance is hard to see in shooting pistols, but its there in some powders. Powders, bullets and primers will always hold value when traded among people you know. I understand not wanting to purchase an open container, part used of powder from a stranger, but among my shooting buddies, no problem he wants to part with a partial 8 lb jug of some powder he will not shoot, or wants to trade me for some of my less desirables. That would be an answer to the OP wanting 2400, I trade you some of my stock of 2400 for something I am shooting a lot of now and you have that powder. For real shooters and reloaders, there should not be a shortage on their end. I decide that this N110 is shooting a lot smaller groups in my stuff that the 2400 and my buddy says he is getting a lot smaller group with the 2400 than that jug of N110, we just swap, and everyone is happy.

 

[Nemo288]

"The N110 is suppose to be in the range of you 2400"

N110 is slightly faster than H110/W296
N105 is slightly faster than 2400

The VV website is not exactly on the same scale as Hodgdon
(no N105 44 special data) but you can get a good idea how the
powders perform by reading the whole thing.

I usually work up even the special loads in my Redhawk on the theory that it
will take more potential abuse than my prized Smiths.
This is for loads with no previous data.
I do model in QuickLOAD and then step back a little.
QuickLOAD admits in the fine print it is less accurate as pressure goes down especially in cylindrical brass.
I end up fine tuning some of the parameters once I get chrono data.
My limit in the 7.5" in is 1000 fps and around 800 fps in the 4" Special revolver.
Most of mine are actually 3".

===
Nemo

 

[mikld]

I see it diff. The 1# guy also never has spare food in his pantry or a full tank of gas. It's just being prepared. You are right, I don't give a krap about the part time shooter that plans 1# & 1k primers ahead. He doesn't care if he shoots next month or next Xmas. I shoot weekly, if I want to maintaine that, I need to have a min of a yr in reserve. So I am always buying stuff. You & others may of course continue wishing for the old days.
Every time I hear someone use the term hoarding, I just hear whining because they have been a little slow wrapping their head around the new paradigm in our sport/hobby. Hoarding & stocking for the future, totally diff. If you are buying anything you don't plan on using, you are hoarding.

Personally I think you are just justifying your greediness. I surely know what "preparation" is. I lived in L.A. most of my life and was a Community Response Team Member for several years (trained by F.D and P.D for earthquake preparedness.) I keep two weeks supply of food and 12 bottles of water, (16 oz.) per person per day, and several gallons of "washing" water at home, and roughly the same amount of MREs and water on my sailboat. Plus a generator, spare fuel, and 3 "bug out" bags in my vehicles and at home. I know how to take care of "what if"...

When I was in a store that had powder or .22 rimfire, I'd buy one pound or one brick at a time. I now have at least 3 pounds of each powder I use for each caliber I have. I have more lead on hand than I can cast up in 3 years, and I never bought more than 50 lbs. at a time, and enough rimfire ammo to last until the second coming.

Never called anyone a "hoarder", just a panicky, greedy buyer, big difference...

 

[TEXVET]

My part of this tirade is over. The spousal unit just called. She stopped at the gun range and picked up three pounds of 2400 on her way home today. The price was $22.95 + tax per pound.
I shoot a lot of .41 Mag and .44 Mag, so this should last me until next year. Hopefully by then this current reloading shortage will have abated.

Not to be political, but we can all thank Obama for this mess. Six years ago I didn't know many women that had a CHL license. Now almost everyone I know has one or is preparing to take the course. I think the NRA stated that Obama was the best gun salesman in America.
This situation does not bode well went it comes to how the average citizen feels about his personal safety in this country.
Oh well. I will be reloading some big boy ammo this weekend with my newly acquired powder.

 

[novalty]

Congrats on the powder find! 2400 is still a unicorn in the market

 

[oldman10mm]

Went to the Medina Ohio gun show today and stopped at Fin Feather Fur(Middleburg Heights store) on the way home. Plenty of 2400 there,1 lb for $23, 8 lb for $140.

 

[fredj338]

Personally I think you are just justifying your greediness. I surely know what "preparation" is. I lived in L.A. most of my life and was a Community Response Team Member for several years (trained by F.D and P.D for earthquake preparedness.) I keep two weeks supply of food and 12 bottles of water, (16 oz.) per person per day, and several gallons of "washing" water at home, and roughly the same amount of MREs and water on my sailboat. Plus a generator, spare fuel, and 3 "bug out" bags in my vehicles and at home. I know how to take care of "what if"...

When I was in a store that had powder or .22 rimfire, I'd buy one pound or one brick at a time. I now have at least 3 pounds of each powder I use for each caliber I have. I have more lead on hand than I can cast up in 3 years, and I never bought more than 50 lbs. at a time, and enough rimfire ammo to last until the second coming.

Never called anyone a "hoarder", just a panicky, greedy buyer, big difference...

So why are you still buying? How is keeping a 2-3yr or whatever greedy? I don't need to justify anything. I've lived thru the Clinton shortage, then the 1st Obama shortage, I have not had to slow my shooting at all. No I don't buy 22lr, unless I know someone who needs it. I have plenty, much less than most, if I were a greedy hoarder, I would buy every box I find. I'll still buy primer & powder whenever I find. Good deal, regardless of what I hav now. I will not be caught short in any future political enviro. In kalifornistan ,that could be anytime.

 

[ROK]

Wideners has had 2400, Bullseye and Unique in stock the last 2 Fridays. Was able to order 5# of each + Power Pistol + AR Comp.

 

[Vortec MAX]

I found two pounds of 2400 at my local Sportsman's Warehouse last month, so I know they are still making it. That is all I have seen for several years though.

Mike

 

[dmar]

I just picked up two pounds of 2400 at my LGS two weeks ago. He's a very established dealer, and is usually very well stocked in powder and primers, and has not had 2400 in a loooong time. So, I was happy to see a couple pounds left sitting there from a recent delivery.

Now, let's talk Large Magnum primer availability... ;(.

 

[novalty]

Now, let's talk Large Magnum primer availability... ;(.

Large Pistol Magnum primers are in-stock at Grafs in a couple different flavors.