What's your favorite C.O.R.E. optic RDS?
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Kodiakco
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Burris Fastfire III, 8 MOA dot. Inexpensive, durable and good warranty. The 8 MOA dot is good for what I do, namely locale defensive pistol and 3-gun matches.
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Are you able to co-witness suppressor height sights with the FF3?
TRIJICON RMR 06
Because it is extremely durable, proven, adjustable, smaller dot for better accuracy, great warranty service, clear glass, long battery life, constantly on.
But I would never get a CORE. Milled slide only. Finding sights and co-witnessing is easier with the lower mounting. More secure. Fewer problems. Similar costs.
Because it is extremely durable, proven, adjustable, smaller dot for better accuracy, great warranty service, clear glass, long battery life, constantly on.
But I would never get a CORE. Milled slide only. Finding sights and co-witnessing is easier with the lower mounting. More secure. Fewer problems. Similar costs.
I use a Vortex Venom (3 moa) on my FN FNX-45 Tactical. The Venom has worked well for me. Here is a list of its good features:
1. It's affordable. List price is $229. With a Cabela's sale plus a discount coupon, I paid $175.
2. It's easy to install and set up. Even though this was my first red dot, mounting and sight-in were simple, straightforward, and quick. The FNX-45T comes with raised sights and a milled slide, so co-witnessing was easily accomplished.
3. It's easy to adjust. The elevation and windage adjustment screws and the battery cover remain readily accessible after installation.
4. It's rugged and reliable. After shooting over 1000 rounds of .45 cal, it is still holding zero.
5.It's accurate. My accuracy, especially at 25 yards (my range's maximum), has gone up dramatically. I've doubled the percentage of shots that I place within two inches of the bullseye.
6. For me, its 3 moa dot is perfect. It is very bright, and its intensity is adjustable. At 25 yards, it covers the bullseye. I think a larger moa (a 6 moa Venom is available) would cover too much of the target, especially at longer distances.
7. Like Smith & Wesson, Vortex offers lifetime free service.
I've only found one small negative aspect. The battery cover unscrews itself after a couple of hundred rounds, causing the red dot to go out. I've eliminated that problem by tightening it up with a small screwdriver before each shooting session.
For those who have never used a red dot, do not expect your accuracy to go up immediately after installation. There is a learning curve involved due to the fact that the red dot is much more sensitive to the movement of the gun than iron sights. At first, the dot will appear to wander all over the place, which is very distracting. The steadier your hands are to begin with, (mine aren't
), the less of a problem this will be. Eventually, you'll get the hang of it, and you'll become the ace shooter you always knew you were 
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1. It's affordable. List price is $229. With a Cabela's sale plus a discount coupon, I paid $175.
2. It's easy to install and set up. Even though this was my first red dot, mounting and sight-in were simple, straightforward, and quick. The FNX-45T comes with raised sights and a milled slide, so co-witnessing was easily accomplished.
3. It's easy to adjust. The elevation and windage adjustment screws and the battery cover remain readily accessible after installation.
4. It's rugged and reliable. After shooting over 1000 rounds of .45 cal, it is still holding zero.
5.It's accurate. My accuracy, especially at 25 yards (my range's maximum), has gone up dramatically. I've doubled the percentage of shots that I place within two inches of the bullseye.
6. For me, its 3 moa dot is perfect. It is very bright, and its intensity is adjustable. At 25 yards, it covers the bullseye. I think a larger moa (a 6 moa Venom is available) would cover too much of the target, especially at longer distances.
7. Like Smith & Wesson, Vortex offers lifetime free service.
I've only found one small negative aspect. The battery cover unscrews itself after a couple of hundred rounds, causing the red dot to go out. I've eliminated that problem by tightening it up with a small screwdriver before each shooting session.
For those who have never used a red dot, do not expect your accuracy to go up immediately after installation. There is a learning curve involved due to the fact that the red dot is much more sensitive to the movement of the gun than iron sights. At first, the dot will appear to wander all over the place, which is very distracting. The steadier your hands are to begin with, (mine aren't
), the less of a problem this will be. Eventually, you'll get the hang of it, and you'll become the ace shooter you always knew you were .
Rastoff
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Trijicon RM08-G with the 12MOA Triangle. No batteries to wear out. Use the triangle point for precise shots and the bulk of it for super fast acquisition.
Kodiakco
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I think this is fairly typical for a factory CORE set up. It is not ideal. The RDS sits too high and the supplied iron sights are usually not tall enough.
Seeing only a little of the front sight in the obscured (low) rear notch requires more time to find and align the sights. This slows shooting down, especially recovery shot-to-shot, which reduces accuracy. Good iron sights on a gun should look almost exactly as they would for alignment (close to full rear notch and full height front sight) on a gun without the RDS. You need a full iron sight picture when you are not using the RDS.
Options? Get taller sights (more $$$) OR
Ditch the plate and mount the RDS directly to the slide all the way to the rear of the slide cut and add a filler to the front to stabilize the sight (more $$) with the two exact screw holes drilled and tapped in the right places and the right depth (more $$$$). Do this and you will get great co-witness and safer, more secure mounting of the RDS--fewer problems.
If you had the slide custom milled and the RDS properly mounted, using the exact right height sights, you would have had a gun that cost close to what a CORE costs with a more robust and shootable set of sighting systems.
The CORE forces you into unnecessary compromises for about the same $$$ as getting it done right custom.
Rastoff
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I see this as a good thing. The back up sights are only used if the optic fails. So, very low co-witness keeps the irons out of the way, but still there if needed.
Anyone here know anything about the Shield Mini Sight?
Shield Mini-Sight – SHIELDPSD
SHIELD Mini Sight (SMS) 4MOA Dot – SHIELDPSD
Apparently you can purchase an M&P PC that comes with one.
Performance Center(R) Ported M&P(R)9L Red Dot Sight | Smith & Wesson
Shield Mini-Sight – SHIELDPSD
SHIELD Mini Sight (SMS) 4MOA Dot – SHIELDPSD
Apparently you can purchase an M&P PC that comes with one.
Performance Center(R) Ported M&P(R)9L Red Dot Sight | Smith & Wesson
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I have one on a Shield 9mm with a milled slide cut and standard height Heinie Straight Eight Night Sights. These cowitness at ~20% which is ideal for me.
The Shield RMS red dot sight has been mentioned in several threads on this board. The sight is smaller (particularly, narrower) than most, so it fits on smaller guns, where the more standard RDS hang over some. This means the window is smaller also, so a little harder to use.
IMO, its biggest advantage is that it is short, in many cases allowing for standard height sights to be used when it is set down into a milled cut.
It has an automatic brightness adjustment that works well. It is fairly robust. Reliable. Long battery life. It has a groove in the middle rear of the sight which helps the shooter see more of the front sight. I widened and deepened that groove on mine so I could see the whole front sight.
I don't know how it would do on a CORE. I don't like the CORE mounting system as I have posted elsewhere. However, the Shield RMS probably has the lowest mounting profile of the sights that fit the CORE, so maybe the standard CORE increased height iron sights will co-witness well with it, despite the fact that the slide cut advantage is reduced by putting the CORE mounting plate into it.
It is a mid-price sight--a decent value for the money. Because of its size, I feel it's best application is for smaller pistols. Larger pistols like a full size M&P benefit more from a Trijicon RMR, IMO.
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