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When did Marca Registrada start to appear on frame?
When did Spanish start to appear on S&W revolvers?
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I think it was with the "four-line" address on the right lower revolver frame, just after WW II, but as always I am willing to be corrected 
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Does that mean that a Pre-27 could have the Spanish?
If I recall correctly, there are some single line address K22 guns made in 1948. My 1948 K22 has the 4 line address. That is all that I can add at the moment.
I would think that almost all pre 27's made after WWll would have the 4 line address.
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It might be Latin but I think it is also Spanish
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ALL "ROMANCE LANGUAGES" SUCH AS SPANISH, ARE DERIVED FROM LATIN. IT IS FIRST AND FOREMOST A LATIN TERM, WHICH WAS ADOPTED INTO THE SPANISH LANGUAGE IN IT'S ORIGINAL FORM........
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It's Latin
Of course there's always that "Taurus-S&W Bangor Punta" conspiracy theory
Of course there's always that "Taurus-S&W Bangor Punta" conspiracy theory
Mitch_D
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Latin...
I belve Gus and Woodrow had a very lengthy conversation about just this sort of thing in "Lonsome Dove".
And, I believe the were BOTH right.
That's why they we're such good conversationalists.
Just Saying.
I belve Gus and Woodrow had a very lengthy conversation about just this sort of thing in "Lonsome Dove".
And, I believe the were BOTH right.
That's why they we're such good conversationalists.
Just Saying.
Driftwood Johnson
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I agree, it is Latin, not Spanish. I bought my Model 17 and my Model 19 brand spanky new in 1975. They both had the Markas Registradas marking on them. I have several other Smiths with it on them, but I dunno right now exactly when they were made.
I thought this had something to do with ownership of the company by some larger corporation?
I agree, it is Latin, not Spanish. I bought my Model 17 and my Model 19 brand spanky new in 1975. They both had the Markas Registradas marking on them. I have several other Smiths with it on them, but I dunno right now exactly when they were made.
I thought this had something to do with ownership of the company by some larger corporation?
one eye joe
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Condolences, 310Pilot.
I majored in Latin in college and did some graduate work in classical linguistics, which qualified me to do nothing in adult life except (1) teach a couple of dead languages, and (2) answer questions like this.
The word "marca" is not Classical Latin. The word exists in Medieval Latin, where it is a loanword from (probably) a germanic term. The participial form "registrada" is neither classical or medieval Latin, though it has been shaped by rules of Latin word formation. The proper Latin form (if the underlying verb actually existed) would be "registrata," with a t before the final vowel.
"Marca Registrada" is the term for "Trademark" in both Spanish and Portuguese, though the spelling "registada" is also seen in Portuguese-speaking countries. S&W had experienced problems with Spanish knock-offs of their revolvers in the early 1900s; they had also fulfilled two huge contracts to provide weapons to Brazil, a Portuguese-speaking nation, in 1937 and 1946. Roy Jinks has reported that the company found it necessary following an infringement lawsuit in the 1920s to mark their exports to Spain with a Spanish-language trademark to protect their legal rights there. Before WWII, some exported guns were so marked. Shortly after WWII, with the recent 1946 Brazilian contract still visible in the rear view mirror and with the possibility of new international trade opening up in Spanish-speaking countries, president Carl Hellstrom decided to simplify export labeling by just putting the phrase on all company products. It was easier to mark all guns than to keep track of the ones going to specific countries and labeling only those. The order to make the change to the four line address block containing the phrase "marcas registradas" was issued in April of 1948.
S&W wasn't the only company to do this. Am I the only one who remembers the "marca registrada" phrase molded into Coke bottles in the 1950s? I guess there was a body of international copyright law that required imported products to carry trademark notifications in the language of the importing country.
I'm not sure why Brazilian contract guns, all shipped before 1948, don't have the phrase; perhaps the court case had no effect outside of Spain and it is only coincidence that the Spanish phrase is also used in Portuguese.
The word "marca" is not Classical Latin. The word exists in Medieval Latin, where it is a loanword from (probably) a germanic term. The participial form "registrada" is neither classical or medieval Latin, though it has been shaped by rules of Latin word formation. The proper Latin form (if the underlying verb actually existed) would be "registrata," with a t before the final vowel.
"Marca Registrada" is the term for "Trademark" in both Spanish and Portuguese, though the spelling "registada" is also seen in Portuguese-speaking countries. S&W had experienced problems with Spanish knock-offs of their revolvers in the early 1900s; they had also fulfilled two huge contracts to provide weapons to Brazil, a Portuguese-speaking nation, in 1937 and 1946. Roy Jinks has reported that the company found it necessary following an infringement lawsuit in the 1920s to mark their exports to Spain with a Spanish-language trademark to protect their legal rights there. Before WWII, some exported guns were so marked. Shortly after WWII, with the recent 1946 Brazilian contract still visible in the rear view mirror and with the possibility of new international trade opening up in Spanish-speaking countries, president Carl Hellstrom decided to simplify export labeling by just putting the phrase on all company products. It was easier to mark all guns than to keep track of the ones going to specific countries and labeling only those. The order to make the change to the four line address block containing the phrase "marcas registradas" was issued in April of 1948.
S&W wasn't the only company to do this. Am I the only one who remembers the "marca registrada" phrase molded into Coke bottles in the 1950s? I guess there was a body of international copyright law that required imported products to carry trademark notifications in the language of the importing country.
I'm not sure why Brazilian contract guns, all shipped before 1948, don't have the phrase; perhaps the court case had no effect outside of Spain and it is only coincidence that the Spanish phrase is also used in Portuguese.
Hannibal Barca
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And I had all my life(45 years) as Spanish Speaker, and defenitly "Marcas Registadas" is in Spanish.
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gordonrick
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David,
You've truly fulfilled your destiny!
You've truly fulfilled your destiny!
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Spanish is of course one of the Latin based 'romance' languages.
Once I had a Latin-Spanish relapse in a Taco place down on the South side of San Antonio. I wanted to try a variety of tacos in a place where I was the only person there who spoke English. So I just rolled the dice and fired off some numbers from the menu board.
One of my tacos was a lingua taco. That of course is a tongue taco, from the same Latin base from which we get language and similiar words.
That was my only tongue taco. Everybody should try one!
Once I had a Latin-Spanish relapse in a Taco place down on the South side of San Antonio. I wanted to try a variety of tacos in a place where I was the only person there who spoke English. So I just rolled the dice and fired off some numbers from the menu board.
One of my tacos was a lingua taco. That of course is a tongue taco, from the same Latin base from which we get language and similiar words.
That was my only tongue taco. Everybody should try one!
DWalt
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There are taco places in south Texas that have not only tongue, but also brain and eyeball tacos. And maybe even other body parts. There's one large restaurant in Laredo that does an enormous breakfast trade in such "delicacy" tacos and Mariachis (which is the local term for a soft taco). When I lived in Laredo, I took great delight in taking visitors there. But I never ate the tacos.
I think the first 2091 "Mexican Model" .38 targets from 1945-46 were the first with the Latin (or Spanish - take your pick) markings. The 4-line stamping came later. As the intent was to export most of these revolvers to Mexico as a means of getting rid of them, that's why I think Marcas Registradas is Spanish. If you enter Marcas Registradas in Google Translate as being Spanish, it provides the English translation to be "Trademarks." I'm not sure the ancient Romans even had a word for Trademark. If there is, Google Translate does not recognize its having a Latin translation.
I think the first 2091 "Mexican Model" .38 targets from 1945-46 were the first with the Latin (or Spanish - take your pick) markings. The 4-line stamping came later. As the intent was to export most of these revolvers to Mexico as a means of getting rid of them, that's why I think Marcas Registradas is Spanish. If you enter Marcas Registradas in Google Translate as being Spanish, it provides the English translation to be "Trademarks." I'm not sure the ancient Romans even had a word for Trademark. If there is, Google Translate does not recognize its having a Latin translation.
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chaparrito
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I grew up speaking spanish as well, and remember the Coke bottles and other labels thusly marked. Marca registrada is indeed spanish but I'm not at all sure S and W meant it to be. Maybe they intended Latin, or figured it's close enough to latin, spanish and portuguese to work for all three. In any case I'm betting they didn't hire any linguists before they decided to include it.
I like me some tacos de lengua, y de pierna tambien. De ojos, not so much.
I like me some tacos de lengua, y de pierna tambien. De ojos, not so much.
Not to confuse the issue but the guns are marked "MARCAS REGISTRADAS" and this occured in 1948 replacing the famous one line guns.
I always thought that the term was Roman being used to honor an emperor of Rome, Marcas Registradas who assumed the throme after the death of Marcus Aurelius.
I always thought that the term was Roman being used to honor an emperor of Rome, Marcas Registradas who assumed the throme after the death of Marcus Aurelius.
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