Y'all do realize that English clearly is not his/her first language, right?
When do I add Scope to AR15?
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Y'all do realize that English clearly is not his/her first language, right?
Rastoff
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Yeah, he speaks Houston.
That's not Houston . . .
Don't let your last meal be at the Yahoo Snackbar.
OK, now we're getting somewhere. This is a basic function of the gun. If you don't know this, you have no hope of hitting your target with any consistency or accuracy.
The sights are adjustable. The rear sight is adjustable for windage (left and right) and the front sight is adjustable for elevation (up and down).
Here's how to do it:
- Place a target at 50 yards. I normally recommend 100, but 50 will be easier for you.
- Using a rest, like you showed, fire three shots. Take your time with each shot and make sure the sights are perfectly aligned and in the center of the target for each shot.
- Walk down and look at the target. Find the center of the group. Note where it is in relation to the center of the target. Look at this pic:
In this pic the center of the three shot group is 1" low and 2" to the left. So, the rear sight needs to be moved a little to the right and the front sight needs to be moved a little down.- Tape over the holes. This way you can tell them from subsequent groups.
- Go back and fire another three shot group after the sight adjustment.
Repeat these steps until the group is as close to the center as possible. This is how you zero the gun/sights. There's a lot more to shooting, but this will get you started.
For the record, you're not ready to go hunting yet.
Thank you for response and clear explanation in and helping me.
Yess, I am not ready for hunting at all. I want to get better at shooting.
Here is my plan to prepare for hunting hopefully by November.
Please everyone let me know if agree with my plan. I'm just starting out so I need help.
1. First get my AR iron sights and rear site zero sighted for 50 yards. There is instructors at American Shooting range in Houston that charge $15 for this.
After this should I get a scope on the rfile?
2. Hire instructor at American Shooting range to teach me how to accurately shoot up 100 yards or higher. They charge like $100 per hour.
Will the instructor required me to shoot with scope or iron sights? If so, I better get a scope on this AR.
I will purchase a Adjustable Folding Bipod so I get comfortable with my position for everyshot. I want have sand back in the deer blind
3. Practice every Saturday 50 to 200 yards til to make sure I am accurate. I will practice just how I plan to sit in the deer/hog blind.
4. Once I get better and comfortable and consistently accurate with ar15 I will purcahse a .308 or 270 or 30-.06 scope rifle and practice til Novemebr. I will not hunt with ar15 for the reasons everyone stated above. I rather use higher caliber to ensure high impact shot.
Thank you all so much.
Please let me know if my plan make sense and offer your comments please.
Thank you all for the help and support. Please help me with my plan above. No I'm not a troll. I just don't know as much you all, cause I haven't been shooting all my life. Some of my questions are simple, but I don't know. Lol
Check my plan above and let me know what you think.
Check my plan above and let me know what you think.
cyphertext
US Veteran
Do not pay someone else to zero your rifle. Learn to do it yourself.
You do need an instructor. If I were teaching you to shoot, you would start with a .22lr at 25 yards. If you plan to hunt using a scope, get a scope and learn to shoot with it. Many will disagree with me here, but if you aren't going to use iron sights, then don't worry about mastering them. Some of my hunting rifles don't even have iron sights on them.
Waste of money in my opinion... If shooting from a blind, just steady the gun on the frame of the blind. If shooting from the ground, learn shooting from field positions (sitting, kneeling, and prone), with use of a sling and shooting sticks to help stabilize.
Next to impossible to practice from the bench the same as shooting from a blind. Focus on basics, (sight alignment, sight picture, breath control, trigger control) while bench shooting.
I wouldn't worry about equipment at this point. Learn to shoot first. You are a long way from being ready to go hunt.
Thank you cyphertext for your comments.
Questions
1. I agree with getting a scope now, I will definetly be hunting with a scope. Do I need to zero the front iron sights before buying a scope and installing it on AR? Or when I get scope I will need to zero it as well?
2. Should I juse get a scope on AR and go shoot it and see how well I do? If I'm not accurate, hire an instructor.
Appreciate the comments
cyphertext
US Veteran
If you are going to use a scope, don't worry about the zeroing the irons. You will however, need to zero the scope. If you have it mounted by the store you purchase it from, the can bore sight it for you... this means that it will be close enough for you to hit on paper, but you will need to do the final adjustments for a true zero.
Mount the scope on your AR. You would benefit from having an instructor to help you with zeroing your scope and teaching you the basics. You will still need to learn sight picture, proper breathing, and proper trigger control. The scope will eliminate the sight alignment issues.
Thank you cyphertext,
Yes, I will be using a scope only for hunting.
Ok in will go to Academy and get the P233 3x9 scope and let them mount it on AR. And ask them to Bore . I will have to learn how to adjust the P223 scope.
Then I will hire an instructor to teach me how to zero scope, proper breathing, and trigger control. Then I just practice from there on.
How do you know what type of scope to get?
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cyphertext
US Veteran
For general hunting, a 3 to 9 power (3-9x) or a 4 to 12 power (4-12x) will meet your needs fairly well. Pick a reticle that you like, and make sure the scope is clear and bright. Clarity is more important to me than magnification.
That Nikon scope would not be my first pick for hunting, but it isn't a bad scope for general use.
Canyon Man
Member
There is a shooting range called Carters Country. I'm sure they will have some instructional opportunity there. It's been years since I've been there, but remember it fondly. They had 100 and 200 yard ranges...places for skeet and trap, and pistol ranges too. Check it out. I think you'll like it. : ) (713) 461-1844
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A scope will not necessarily make you shoot better. Until you get the basics like cheek weld, breathing site picture and trigger squeeze down the scope may add one more distraction. A scope may improve your sight picture but does nothing for the other mechanics of shooting.
cyphertext
US Veteran
You are correct that it doesn't necessarily make him shoot better, but it does make learning simpler since he does not need to worry about sight alignment... but the basic techniques you mention are still in play.
I know all of us old timers were taught irons first, but I have found that when teaching new shooters, it is easier to teach them with optics first. Once they are shooting well with optics, then they can "advance" to iron sights if they want. Apparently the military is finding this too, since Marines now learn to shoot with optics in basic.
Rastoff
US Veteran
Now you know that's not true.
cyphertext
US Veteran
It is absolutely true... with a scope, there is no front and rear sight to align. Still has to master sight picture, consistent cheek weld, breathing, and trigger control, but not sight alignment.
Rastoff
US Veteran
So, eye relief and parallax are just imaginary?
hdwhit
Member
Never.
The original Stoner design was intended for optical sights out to a range of about 300 yards.
Subsequently, the carrying handle (and rear sight) were carved off the rifle. You can attach an optic to the resulting flat rail, but you need to be sure that whatever sight system you pick is permiited by the Army for inclusion on one of their duty rifles.
I've got an original Colt 4x20 optic mounted to the carry handle of my Colt AR-15 Sporter II. Is there some Colonel in the Pentagon I need to speak with . . . ?
cyphertext
US Veteran
Eye relief is set when you mount the scope. If you are having issues with eye relief once the scope is mounted, you need to re-mount it. Scope mounted at the proper distance and consistent cheek weld make this a non issue.
Parallax isn't really an issue for a hunting rig. Maybe when you are shooting from a bench you are good enough to notice a little parallax error, but at 100 yards on a pig, not enough to even discuss with a quality scope. Look through the center of the scope and again, non-issue.
The point is, using a scope is much easier than aligning the front and rear sight. Most folks can tell if they are looking through the center of the scope a lot easier than they can properly align sights.
Arguing this level of minutia, particularly for the OP, is like arguing if the AR is truly direct impingement.
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