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Do you agree with this line of thinking? I'm especially curious to hear what LEOs think of this.
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Smoke
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Concealed carry isn't even mentioned in this video
ROLEXrifleman
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I thought my 1st post would be in the welcome section but saw this and had to post.
As a LEO from IN. I cant speak to TX law but I can tell you that here we are NOT taught to using stops as fishing expeditions. If during the stop other facts come about then we will act on them. As an LEO I will say, DONT answer beyond the scope of the questions. 9/10 people get them selves into more trouble by talking to much or using these youtube videos as a law degree to attempt to argue..... bad idea. If you feel your rights have been violated, first comply to get out of the situation, then file a complaint with the PD and be ready to list the facts of what happened. I could write pages upon pages based on the nonsense spewed in this video. I'm not here for that. Be smart, be courteous, and short. If the officer is going to get you let him do his job, don't make it easy by running your mouth. Trust me when I say, unless you get "that guy" or a rookie, 95% of patrolmen wanna get you back on the road and them back to whatever we were doing.
As a LEO from IN. I cant speak to TX law but I can tell you that here we are NOT taught to using stops as fishing expeditions. If during the stop other facts come about then we will act on them. As an LEO I will say, DONT answer beyond the scope of the questions. 9/10 people get them selves into more trouble by talking to much or using these youtube videos as a law degree to attempt to argue..... bad idea. If you feel your rights have been violated, first comply to get out of the situation, then file a complaint with the PD and be ready to list the facts of what happened. I could write pages upon pages based on the nonsense spewed in this video. I'm not here for that. Be smart, be courteous, and short. If the officer is going to get you let him do his job, don't make it easy by running your mouth. Trust me when I say, unless you get "that guy" or a rookie, 95% of patrolmen wanna get you back on the road and them back to whatever we were doing.
Whitwabit
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Eddie Craig leans well to one side as does his web site Rule of Law Radio He and the others at the site seem anti establishment and their rhetoric is aimed at those that follow the anti government theme that there is too much government interference in our lives .. I believe several have gotten them selves in trouble with the courts for doing a few things that were against Texas laws ..
The theme there is government should not be able to do anything to them or anyone else ..
The video seems like its all BS to be .. lot of what if's and most states have laws as he said that require the showing of a driver license and vehicle registration and proof of insurance when pulled over in a traffic stop .. failing to show the respective documents will warrant one or more tickets .. and in some states the lack of showing insurance your car is towed ..
Do you really want to possibly go through all that and possible more on the teachings of a radio wacko ??
You didn't say but what do you think of this line of thinking ??
The theme there is government should not be able to do anything to them or anyone else ..
The video seems like its all BS to be .. lot of what if's and most states have laws as he said that require the showing of a driver license and vehicle registration and proof of insurance when pulled over in a traffic stop .. failing to show the respective documents will warrant one or more tickets .. and in some states the lack of showing insurance your car is towed ..
Do you really want to possibly go through all that and possible more on the teachings of a radio wacko ??
You didn't say but what do you think of this line of thinking ??
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It shows a Ruger in the driver's glove box and advises NOT to volunteer that you have a gun and why. It is brief.
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dave holl
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I am very glad to read posts in disagreement with the video, especially from LEO's. When I listened, and took in to consideration how I was raised to respect law enforcement officers, and to be responsible for my own actions, I wouldn't and couldn't respond as described.
I would comply, produce the required documents, and remember the advice taught during my concealed carry class many years ago............."I have a concealed carry permit and I am armed. The revolver is holstered in my left front pocket. How do you wish to proceed?"
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I would comply, produce the required documents, and remember the advice taught during my concealed carry class many years ago............."I have a concealed carry permit and I am armed. The revolver is holstered in my left front pocket. How do you wish to proceed?"
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From the video--"I'm a retired deputy".
Really? Where? How long? Did you retire or move on to something else?
I've heard a lot of morons claim to be retired law enforcement. Then after a little bit of probing, you find out they worked for two years in a small town, before either changing career paths entirely, or another "law enforcement" position where they weren't sworn officers.
Eddie Craig sounds like he falls into this group.
And now for funtimes. Here's a picture of Mr Craig harvested from the Rule of Law (ha!) website:
Hey, if you wanna trust a guy that strikes that pose for a picture, be my guest.
Now here's Eddie Craig in real life:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSb1eR4PA5Q[/ame]
Pictures are worth a thousand words.
Really? Where? How long? Did you retire or move on to something else?
I've heard a lot of morons claim to be retired law enforcement. Then after a little bit of probing, you find out they worked for two years in a small town, before either changing career paths entirely, or another "law enforcement" position where they weren't sworn officers.
Eddie Craig sounds like he falls into this group.
And now for funtimes. Here's a picture of Mr Craig harvested from the Rule of Law (ha!) website:
Hey, if you wanna trust a guy that strikes that pose for a picture, be my guest.
Now here's Eddie Craig in real life:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSb1eR4PA5Q[/ame]
Pictures are worth a thousand words.
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Right. This one would be, for me.
Right. This one would be, for me.
Everything in this video is wrong. The law in most localities requires you to show your license, registration & proof of insurance. While I've been retired 20 years I was NOT trained to do anything but issue the ticket and get the motorist on their way as quickly as possible. There were times when I went further and came away w/an arrest, but only b/c something in the driver's behavior or driving actions caused me to go further. Most people are just going about their daily chores and not paying attention to their driving. Listening to the guy in this video will get you locked up for sure.
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Well, it's all about the probable cause.......... lol
It's an Oh **** moment, when ya have to go 'talk to' the Governor...
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8DwI2g81_M[/ame]
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It's an Oh **** moment, when ya have to go 'talk to' the Governor...
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8DwI2g81_M[/ame]
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Do what the cop says and keep your mouth shut. 99% of the cops out there are decent hard working people like the rest of us. The other 1% are out there. Again keep your mouth shut and do what they say. I know. I met one last week. 
wingriderz
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No duty to inform in the Sunshine State. I spent over 23 years In E M S most officers in Florida unless it has something to with the stop dont want to or know about a carry. Dont ask dont tell. Dont be a Barney Fifeh
BigDog48
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In NC, your license plate # links to the CCW holder list, and the law is when stopped to hand over your license, registration and CCW permit, then do what the officer says. I have been stopped once in the 7 years I've been carrying.
I gave him the required cards, he asked if I was armed. I said yes, and he handed me back my CCW and said thanks for telling me. I got a warning for speeding.
More than 99% of LEOs are fine professional people who do a difficult job. If I encountered one who wasn't professional to me, I'd be even more polite.
The video and its "star" are BS.
I gave him the required cards, he asked if I was armed. I said yes, and he handed me back my CCW and said thanks for telling me. I got a warning for speeding.
More than 99% of LEOs are fine professional people who do a difficult job. If I encountered one who wasn't professional to me, I'd be even more polite.
The video and its "star" are BS.
Do you have a specific question in mind?
I got to 1:14 and quit when he says the cops primary job is to escalate it to a DUI or drug bust. The guy is clearly an idiot.
Get pulled over, keep your hands in plain view and follow your state laws regarding your duty to disclose the presence of a a concealed weapon. We need to be aware these guys are on edge right now so we need not give them a reason to be more so. Beyond that, don't act like an idiot and you probably won't be treated like one.
That said, if a cop wanted to search my vehicle "just because", I wouldn't allow it. As a matter of mutual respect, if I'm driving along minding my own business with a taillight out, then that's what it is and doesn't warrant a vehicle search.
Get pulled over, keep your hands in plain view and follow your state laws regarding your duty to disclose the presence of a a concealed weapon. We need to be aware these guys are on edge right now so we need not give them a reason to be more so. Beyond that, don't act like an idiot and you probably won't be treated like one.
That said, if a cop wanted to search my vehicle "just because", I wouldn't allow it. As a matter of mutual respect, if I'm driving along minding my own business with a taillight out, then that's what it is and doesn't warrant a vehicle search.
Smoke
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That's not concealed carry, that's transporting a gun in your vehicle.
ImprovedModel56Fan
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1. I am not a lawyer.
2. To my UNeducated but not feeble mind, this sounds like THEORETICALLY good advice.
3. I am having trouble reconciling two seemingly conflicting views. One is the one in the video, which is that most cops are out to get me. The other is that I am already 72 years old, have interacted with LEOs in about half a dozen states, all over the USA, usually over how I drive, and have NEVER experienced ONE who seemed to have an improper motive. I have disagreed with one or two, and one clearly made a mistake (but didn't issue a ticket). I don't deny other folks' experience, but I REALLY believe mine.
Nothing in this video motivates me to change my MO of fifty years or so: Answer the policeman truthfully, don't volunteer information irrelevant to the reason for the stop, and don't assume that he is stopping you for some nefarious motive. Other people may have reasons for other reactions, but mine fit my long experience and present expectations.
2. To my UNeducated but not feeble mind, this sounds like THEORETICALLY good advice.
3. I am having trouble reconciling two seemingly conflicting views. One is the one in the video, which is that most cops are out to get me. The other is that I am already 72 years old, have interacted with LEOs in about half a dozen states, all over the USA, usually over how I drive, and have NEVER experienced ONE who seemed to have an improper motive. I have disagreed with one or two, and one clearly made a mistake (but didn't issue a ticket). I don't deny other folks' experience, but I REALLY believe mine.
Nothing in this video motivates me to change my MO of fifty years or so: Answer the policeman truthfully, don't volunteer information irrelevant to the reason for the stop, and don't assume that he is stopping you for some nefarious motive. Other people may have reasons for other reactions, but mine fit my long experience and present expectations.
Protected One
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The ONLY thing he said in that video that made any sense at all was that we should pull over in a public/visible area. Everything after that was ****.
Perhaps he's speaking into the *local* situation with his claim that police are taught to "escalate" the stop, but even still....I don't believe it!
In my years of driving I have been pulled over at least a half-dozen times, and in NONE of them did the officer "grill me" as this guy did in his role play with the radio host. It's pretty clear that this person is trying to capture people who have an anti-police bias. and drive them to his web-site in hopes they will buy what ever he is selling.
Personally, I think he's a sleaze ball.
Perhaps he's speaking into the *local* situation with his claim that police are taught to "escalate" the stop, but even still....I don't believe it!
In my years of driving I have been pulled over at least a half-dozen times, and in NONE of them did the officer "grill me" as this guy did in his role play with the radio host. It's pretty clear that this person is trying to capture people who have an anti-police bias. and drive them to his web-site in hopes they will buy what ever he is selling.
Personally, I think he's a sleaze ball.
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Okie21
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This garbage is what makes gullible people think that all law enforcement is out to get us.
The worst thing I've done during a traffic stop is laugh and say "Wow, you got me. I didn't see you hiding in there". Arguing or insulting a LEO doesn't seem like a very good idea.
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The worst thing I've done during a traffic stop is laugh and say "Wow, you got me. I didn't see you hiding in there". Arguing or insulting a LEO doesn't seem like a very good idea.
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steelslaver
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Wow, I listened to the whole thing. Sounds like a great way to escalate a simple traffic stop int a nightmare and end up in cuffs. Should be labeled how to make things worse than they already are. Might get out of it eventually if you want to spend enough time and money. More than likely just more troubles. I have never had a cop give me a real hard time. Never even had one ask to search my car. I would never answer any questions about anything but driving. Was with my new wife when she got pulled over, she just did what most people do, was nice gave license registration insurance and took her ticket. She IS an attorney. Last 2 times I was stopped for speeding I gave em my paper along with my carry permit, got a warning and left.
I'll admit asking a cop once if I listened to his sermon did I get out of the ticket. I got both ...
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CQB27
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I am guessing the reason he is an "Ex-Deputy" is he was as idiotic then as he is now.
If he policed like he "thinks" all officers do, no wonder he's out of the profession.
If he policed like he "thinks" all officers do, no wonder he's out of the profession.
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"I would comply, produce the required documents, and remember the advice taught during my concealed carry class many years ago............."I have a concealed carry permit and I am armed. The revolver is holstered in my left front pocket. How do you wish to proceed?"
I have done exactly that on several stops (1 ticket, a couple of warnings). Three "Thank you for telling me" responses.
In fact, I wonder if telling the cop may have softened him up a little, so that he gave me a warning (once was following too close to an idiot in the pass doing 1/2 the speed limit while waiting for a chance to pass=the other was speeding on the Rez in the boonies)
I have done exactly that on several stops (1 ticket, a couple of warnings). Three "Thank you for telling me" responses.
In fact, I wonder if telling the cop may have softened him up a little, so that he gave me a warning (once was following too close to an idiot in the pass doing 1/2 the speed limit while waiting for a chance to pass=the other was speeding on the Rez in the boonies)
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Steve K
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I listened to about four minutes of the BS. I don't think I would have changed my mind if I listened to the whole thing. When I heard him say, "I'm an ex-deputy" I figured he was let go for some reason; maybe for over doing what he was talking about. I made a traffic stop where the driver was so nervous he confessed to having just committed a crime, but that doesn't happen often. LEOs are doing their job and the reason for making a stop is because of a traffic violation. Many times something else emerges and an arrest is made, but is incidental to the stop not the reason.
Inusuit
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I admit to not watching the whole thing. I'm an old white guy, so maybe my encounters with local PD, SO, and State Patrol are not representative of other stops. Indulge me for a couple stories.
I ran a school flashing light at about 35 when the posted speed was 20. There was an LEO facing my direction and I saw him start a U-turn so I pulled over. The first thing he said to me was "Not many people stop before I hit the lights." I said "I did not register the flashing light. I was over the speed and figured you wanted to talk to me." He took my license (I have a clean record) and insurance. Came back to my car and said again "No one stops on their own." I apologized for speeding. He didn't even give me a warning.
On the way home recently, a road I traveled a couple times a day for the last 15 years, I was stopped for 61 in a 55 by the Highway Patrol. He was all business but not rude. Saw my Glock between the seat and console. Said "I see you have a firearm, please keep your hands away from it until we're done here." Wrote me a warning.
When I'm stopped, which is not often, I roll down the window and keep my hands on the steering wheel. I've never thought an officer was fishing or trying to coerce me into anything.
If an officer seems in a bad mood, I take into account that his last stop may have been pulling a dead kid out of a wreck caused by a speeder or some jerk got his grill about the stop.
I ran a school flashing light at about 35 when the posted speed was 20. There was an LEO facing my direction and I saw him start a U-turn so I pulled over. The first thing he said to me was "Not many people stop before I hit the lights." I said "I did not register the flashing light. I was over the speed and figured you wanted to talk to me." He took my license (I have a clean record) and insurance. Came back to my car and said again "No one stops on their own." I apologized for speeding. He didn't even give me a warning.
On the way home recently, a road I traveled a couple times a day for the last 15 years, I was stopped for 61 in a 55 by the Highway Patrol. He was all business but not rude. Saw my Glock between the seat and console. Said "I see you have a firearm, please keep your hands away from it until we're done here." Wrote me a warning.
When I'm stopped, which is not often, I roll down the window and keep my hands on the steering wheel. I've never thought an officer was fishing or trying to coerce me into anything.
If an officer seems in a bad mood, I take into account that his last stop may have been pulling a dead kid out of a wreck caused by a speeder or some jerk got his grill about the stop.
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sgtsandman
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This is a tough one. I've only been pulled over 3 times in the 34 years I've been driving. Each time was for speeding and I deserved it. Every police officer is different, some have an agenda, for a lack of a better way to say it and some don't. The second time, the officer was definitely fishing and the third let me go with a warning due to me being in the military. There are crusaders out there as well as bad cops and good ones.
The biggest thing is to keep one's mouth shut. Be respectful and don't give the officer a hard time. You won't win at the side of the road in any case if they are a bad one or are indeed fishing for more. Save it for later when you have a chance at winning, whether that be in court, the magistrate, or the local council. The officer is in control during the stop and being belligerent and so forth is only going to make the situation worse.
Some may disagree with me on the police in general but the fact is, during a stop, the officer is in charge, like it or not. How soon you are on your way or whether you spend the night in jail is going to be decided by you in most instances.
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The biggest thing is to keep one's mouth shut. Be respectful and don't give the officer a hard time. You won't win at the side of the road in any case if they are a bad one or are indeed fishing for more. Save it for later when you have a chance at winning, whether that be in court, the magistrate, or the local council. The officer is in control during the stop and being belligerent and so forth is only going to make the situation worse.
Some may disagree with me on the police in general but the fact is, during a stop, the officer is in charge, like it or not. How soon you are on your way or whether you spend the night in jail is going to be decided by you in most instances.
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The ex deputy gave an example of having an expired drivers license as a good reason not to show your ID. I can't see what could go wrong if everything is up to date and correct, which is very easy to do.
The jail has been full of folks that tried to exercise their internet lawyering abilities. This guy is a real work of art.
The jail has been full of folks that tried to exercise their internet lawyering abilities. This guy is a real work of art.
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