It’s over but prices are a different issue, I seriously doubt prices will moderate as much as folks want.
Better get used to paying more and shooting less.
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When will it end? Ammo shortage
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It’s over but prices are a different issue, I seriously doubt prices will moderate as much as folks want.
Better get used to paying more and shooting less.
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Model46
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I agree with one of the earlier posters in stating that once we stop gobbling up anything at any price, things will normalize. I bought a couple boxes of .38 Special at the LGS a few months ago for $69/50 rds. Same shop now has the same ammo for $39.95. And its been on the shelf for over a week. Seems like people's appetite for ammo is beginning to wane.
Arc Angel
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Oh, yeah! Have you tried to buy primers lately?
Right! I am with you. Most of the world's ammunition companies are 'owned' by a handful of Wall Street investment and holding companies. These guys are clearly restructuring the entire world economy to accommodate some sort of international socialist 'one world' government where a few elitist banksters will assume control of absolutely everything—everything—even peoples' hopes and dreams!
Once upon a time I used to shoot between 1,500 and 2,000 rounds a month, just to 'keep my eye', speed, and coordination. Those days are now gone forever.
After my first heart attack I sold off an impressive array of top of the line reloading equipment, parts, and supplies. (Shooting acquaintances told me that they thought I liked reloading far more than I did actually shooting; and, truth be told, I probably did!)
Yesterday I tried to find a couple of boxes of target-quality 45 ACP ammo. OK, I did find two 50 round boxes of aluminum Blazers at (ready?) $45.00 per box! You know the kind of junk ammo that can't even be left out on the bench during either a light drizzle, or a heavy fog without something like 10% of the rounds soaking through and becoming useless!
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hkcavalier
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We're not getting back to 50 9mm FMJ for $9-$11. Just like after the .22 crunch, the $19/500 went away. Sure, there were $19 boxes, but of some fraction of 500.
Like a lot of shooters, I'm increasing my reloading (with what primers I can actually get) and looking to get more into precision rifle shooting. The days of enjoying a full day out shooting centerfire calibers are pretty much over when it's $300-$400 worth of ammo.
Like a lot of shooters, I'm increasing my reloading (with what primers I can actually get) and looking to get more into precision rifle shooting. The days of enjoying a full day out shooting centerfire calibers are pretty much over when it's $300-$400 worth of ammo.
What we have here is a failure communicate.!!! Have you tried to rent a car, bought a can of beans,etc. 20-30% mark up min. Hold on to what you have. There is a STORM on the horizon. I am in my 80's and I seen this before. History repeats itself. Enjoy what you have.
Bumpus13
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Ugh. Really?!?
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I agree 110% and the storm originates in DC. Not quite as old as you are, I'm 71 but like you. I've weathered a few cycles already. Why I overstocked on everything when I was available and reasonably priced, well reasonably priced for the time. I wasn't a pig about it, unlike the hoarders and opportunists, I know what I use for a period of time so I always purchase with anticipation of what might be lurking around the next political corner. Glad I did, I'm in good shape with no immediate shortages of anything.
We are living in inflationary times and that encompasses reloading supplies and 'factory ammo' as well. I remember back when I could buy a pasteboard container of H1000 for 8 bucks and a 45 pound container of the same for 100 bucks (no longer available in that quantity), only 8 pound jugs now...
In case you have not noticed, a lowly 2x4 is now 10 bucks and gas is climbing like the Atlas booster rocket.
I read in a housing industry trade journal that building a new home right now, the increased cost of building materials adds an additional 28 grand to the cost of a $100,000.00 home and today, a 100 grand home is a median sized dwelling.
While supplies will stabilize at some point, prices will NVER be what they were even 6 months ago. Prices will stay commensurate with inflation and the constant devaluing of the dollar.
Just how it works.
The underlying issue is, wages aren't keeping up with inflation, not that they ever have so it's a viscous circle and you are the pivot man...lol
I did sell an 8 pound jug of Varget to a friend and 1000 .223, 55 grain spire points. I didn't gouge him, I don't believe it that but I did sell the propellant for the going rate or 400 bucks and the rounds for 50 cents each which is way more than I paid for either but he had the need and I had the stuff. Factoring in the value of the dollar today, I, in realty, broke even and that was all. Only reason I sold the unopened jug of Varget was, I had 24 pounds on the shelf and far as the .223's I have way more than I'll ever shoot anyway and I felt that of my friend needed them, why not.
Never been of the mind to go out on my private range and shoot up a bunch just to shoot at 'something'. I shoot to build accurate loads and keep my skills honed and that is it.
Never could understand that philosophy, going to the range and expending a wad of bullets on a paper target. Never saw that point, even when the stuff was available and somewhat cheap.
Don't roll that way.
Considering the depth and breadth of such a conspiracy you'd need to have thousands upon thousands (probably tens of thousands) of people involved and ALL of them would have to keep their mouth's shut.
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Jon651
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Reading these posts makes me think that the complainers missed the Great Obama Gun Panic of 2013. Maybe they have become gun owners since then or were to young to own a gun. And some are just grumpy old men.
Anyway the events taking place now isn’t near as bad as when Obama was President. Back then no guns were available and some folks brought Russian Nagant revolvers that were common surplus back then. The reason they were still for sale was there was not any ammunition made for it in the country. I have no idea what they were buying to shoot in it.
Guns are readily available although some choices are limited.
Gun accessories such as magazines are available and at lower than msrp.
Ammunition is available most at sky high prices. In the Great Obama Panic none of these were available.
Big Green has resumed production of ammunition but the backlog of orders is two years long. Since this panic is being driven mostly by political reasons it will take a change of parties in Congress to calm folks down. Maybe the mid term elections in late 2022 or not until the Presidential in 2024.
So kick back and brace yourself for constant where is the ammunition threads until things change.
Anyway the events taking place now isn’t near as bad as when Obama was President. Back then no guns were available and some folks brought Russian Nagant revolvers that were common surplus back then. The reason they were still for sale was there was not any ammunition made for it in the country. I have no idea what they were buying to shoot in it.
Guns are readily available although some choices are limited.
Gun accessories such as magazines are available and at lower than msrp.
Ammunition is available most at sky high prices. In the Great Obama Panic none of these were available.
Big Green has resumed production of ammunition but the backlog of orders is two years long. Since this panic is being driven mostly by political reasons it will take a change of parties in Congress to calm folks down. Maybe the mid term elections in late 2022 or not until the Presidential in 2024.
So kick back and brace yourself for constant where is the ammunition threads until things change.
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That has been exactly my argument against Flat-Earthers!
Except you can’t prove the world is flat unless you were in outer space to look at it.
Again, Occam's razor applies. The conspiracy gets so big that eventually most everyone is in on it.
BSA1;141128821 Maybe the mid term elections in late 2022 [/QUOTE said:
I think it will get better. I don't think there is a conspiracy, I think it is the convergence of political climate, the pandemic and the subsequent fear driven spike in demand. Think about the supply chain and the impact of the pandemic folks. It was a worldwide shut down for gods sake. It is like snow shovels and salt when a snow storm is imminent. By summer there are snow shovels and salt everywhere. May take awhile, but things will moderate. I am not naive enough to believe we won't have some inflation, but the same affects of supply / demand economics apply to an abundance of supply. Patience, patience. patience......
Thanks for the great post on reloading. Was getting tired of all the
"I don't have to worry about the ammo shortage because I reload, Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah."
The cheapest C type Lee press is available at Mid-Way with free shipping and .38spl dies are in stock too. If I was having trouble finding ammo, I'd be trying to remedy that problem........
HOUSTON RICK
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I bought a lot of guns, supplies, safes and ammo from a local LGS over the last 20 years for a little higher than academy or Walmart would have charged, but I knew they would, and they did, take care of me if something was not how I wanted it. Every or every other Saturday I look for ammo there and see what used guns are available, I go in today and there is the usual Creedmor, 5.56 and shotgun birdshot shells on the shelves. but a heavy box comes from under under the counter today and is quietly handed to me with only a smile from the manager: 250 rounds of 45 ACP, 50 9mm, 100 rounds of 40 Caliber, 100 rounds of 38 special, 100 rounds of 357, 40 rounds of 308, 100 12 gauge slugs and 40 rounds of 12 gauge buckshot. Total cost $325..
And there was a like new minty 92 FS with clean bore and correct action sitting almost alone in the used section for $620 that was not there last Saturday in its minty box with two minty mags. and non-creased papers. No charge or interest four month layaway. I am going to buy a lottery ticket. Support your LGS.
And there was a like new minty 92 FS with clean bore and correct action sitting almost alone in the used section for $620 that was not there last Saturday in its minty box with two minty mags. and non-creased papers. No charge or interest four month layaway. I am going to buy a lottery ticket. Support your LGS.
