When will it end? Ammo shortage

[SchemaEnigma]

If that's an accurate figure, it represents an incredibly low percentage. Perhaps those that claim otherwise aren't advocates of the vaccine.

Or they are only getting their information from the panic-peddling news broadcasters.

Both of the 2-dose vaccines are stated to be ~95% effective based on the trials. Or, IOW, as much as 5% ineffective. Also, efficacy (IIRC) included mild or no symptoms, not just immunity.

IOW, none of this is surprising for anyone who has been paying attention to real information (and not just the panic-peddling news broadcasters).

The actual results to date indicate possibly a higher efficacy rate, although it is early still.

 

[smithra_66]

If that's an accurate figure, it represents an incredibly low percentage. Perhaps those that claim otherwise aren't advocates of the vaccine.

Hell the death rate of corona even before the vaccines was less than 1%.

That didn't stop a WHOLE lotta people from absolutely losing their minds though!

If you're looking for a rational assessment of macro statistics in this day and age, either for the ammo shortage or for corona virus, you're going to be quite disappointed!

Just look at how many people play the lottery.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I don't think that this is a plethora: "In mid-April, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 5,800 breakthrough infections to date among the millions of Americans who have been fully vaccinated."

That’s way higher than pedestrian deaths, and those deaths are described as “carnage” in mainstream media articles, so we can go with carnage if you want . . .

 

[BE Mike]

That’s way higher than pedestrian deaths, and those deaths are described as “carnage” in mainstream media articles, so we can go with carnage if you want . . .

With over 86 million having been fully vaccinated to date and the number of those who have been infected by the COVID-19, the amount is around .00007%. Hardly a reason to avoid vaccination. That being said, everything about this and everything else in this country has been politicized by politicians and spun by the media.

 

[smithra_66]

That’s way higher than pedestrian deaths, and those deaths are described as “carnage” in mainstream media articles, so we can go with carnage if you want . . .

Those are just infections. They aren't even indicative of "death" or any other major problem.

If someone said you have a 5,800 out of 130,000,000 chance of getting the sniffles, would you be alarmed?

Are we sure we're understanding macro statistics?

 

[GT_80]

My philosophy on stocking up always has been , if you have $20 in your pocket when you walk in a shop, and they have a box or two of ammo you can get with that $20, buy it.

When you go to the range, if you shoot two boxes of ammo, buy 3 next time you are in a shop.

If you see a sale for something like $85 for 500 rounds of 9mm, but two cases.

It has served me well, I was well stocked going into the pandemic, and most I have spent on 9mm or .380 was about $27.50 a box, then I stopped buying if it is more than that.

I have only gotten 2 boxes of .38 special since last march, $30 each for flat nose jacketed, I bought about 8 boxes of "remanufactured" .38 a year ago at $17.95 a box, and haven't seen any of that since. Nice wadcutters, and jacketed wadcutters too.

.22LR is outrageous, but I stocked up at Dick's when they stopped selling guns, got over 7000 rounds for about 3.7 cents a round. I am happy I did that.

I have slowed down shooting a bit which I don't like, have been shooting more .22LR and 22wmr than anything else really.

 

[SchemaEnigma]

That’s way higher than pedestrian deaths, and those deaths are described as “carnage” in mainstream media articles, so we can go with carnage if you want . . .

Ridiculous.

 

[rwsmith]

Which manufacturer said.......

I could probably weather the lack of handgun ammo better if hunting ammo would show up. Forget 357, 38, 380...I haven't been able to even find 30-06, 7mm-08, 243, 6.5 ammo since early September...

...that they were concentrating on hunting cartridges first?

 

[swatcapt]

There is a seller on Gun Broker that always has 800-100 ads for bulk ammo. SportsmansSupply. Everything from .17 to .50 BMG. 100,250,500,1000 rounds in bulk, always selling for much more than we are all used to.
I went there to pick up a gun, I had an appointment, they don't even want walk-in's. There was 15 shipping containers on property. The kind you see on huge cargo ships. I can only imagine the are full of ammo, they are making a killing but my point is there is somebody getting ammo. It's available to the right people.

 

[rwsmith]

At some point they will.......

Who cares if presses and dies are available when powder and primers aren't...

At some point they will be available, until the next disaster hits. When that happens, stock up.

 

[tops]

Who cares if presses and dies are available when powder and primers aren't...

I just checked Cleaver Products and they have have Federal primers. $99.65 per 1000. It said add to cart. I didn't check for powder but I'm pretty sure it's out there somewhere. Larry

 

[uncleted327]

...that they were concentrating on hunting cartridges first?

Too bad I never said anything like that, reading comprehension helps tremendously. And as far as primers and powder being "out there", so is ammo to the same degree. If you are willing to pay the increased prices.

 

[JJEH]

It won't end IMO...

Indeed, at least not with politicians pushing an anti gun agenda...

 

[Drm50]

My thing has been guns since a small kid. A little bit of fishing. That’s it I never did the spectator sport stuff, never engaged in anything chasing a ball around, musical instruments, motor cars , ect. The point is it seems to me most of this panic buying is based on defensive type stuff and same kind of guns.
Cant blame people for wanting to protect themselves. These type are not the ones stock piling ammo. They only bought a gun because of social situation and a box of ammo. The idiots running up the price are the ones willing to pay the price. Scalped or not an item will find the price it will sell at. Can you imagine the ammo people have squirreled away? If ammo comes back at a price near pre panic we should see some scalpers jumping off bridges, like the crash of 29. They won’t be able to afford to shoot themselves with ammo they overpaid for.

 

[Smokester653]

I haven't posted anything in a long while but i vividly remember sitting in front of Mr. Glassface all spun out and mad as hell but as the saying goes "This too shall pass" and it did. I stopped driving around like a wing nut trying to score a box of ammo. I stopped paying an arm and leg at the flea market. Stopped hitting the pawn shops. Stopped trying to give the guy at the counter a story about how I don't have a round to send downrange and I've got the sweet new Smitty to break in well you get the idea. And when it normalized somewhat I started picking up a box here, a box there and before you know it I had a stack that made the wife furrow her brow. If we all just relax a bit it will come back just like it did during the last "panic".....

 

[germansheperd]

My LGS received a shipment of Remington .223 today. I didn’t ask what the price is but Big Green is coming to the shelves.

Optimistic since Remington is back ordered 2 years. There is still some old stock in the pipeline.

 

[shil]

They are available.

Yup. Primers at $100 for 1000.

 

[skwchock]

I think many will be reloading their own because of the political climate. The problem will be -- finding all the right components to reload. The serious "missing" element I now face is finding PRIMERS. They do not exist. I can find most components except the one that makes it all go "bang".

 

[teletech]

I just checked Cleaver Products and they have have Federal primers. $99.65 per 1000. It said add to cart. I didn't check for powder but I'm pretty sure it's out there somewhere. Larry

Cleaver Products, aren't they in Australia?

Still, plenty of primers (albeit at astronomical prices) out at the shows and such at least. I'm betting capitalism will find a way. Last shortage tons of little ammo producers and distributors popped up almost overnight it seemed to deal with the demand. That later created a glut. I grant that setting up a plant to make primers will take perhaps a year or so but somebody smelling cash to be made will do it sure enough if the established makers don't beat them to the punch.
I suspect the ammo makers remember last shortage when they worked *really* hard to increase production and then once there was an oversupply they practically couldn't give away all that ammo they had so expensively set up to produce. I can imagine they aren't in a big rush to help us out when we didn't hold up our end last time.

OK, so a box of 9 isn't' $10 this year, bummer sure, but you can still get all the materials and tools to make it and even if it does cost $200 a brick for primers $30/100 for good hollowpoints and $100/lb for powder it means you can make good self-defense ammo for $.6/round and practice fodder for about half that. Is it expensive, yeah it is. Is it impossible, nope. If folks settle down and let the market do it's thing this will be over a lot sooner.
We have a lot of new shooters and a lot of new reloaders, this is all an excellent thing and we should quit bellyaching about it.

I'm wryly amused by all the people who are all about the free market and capitalism until somebody scalps them on a little ammo.
If you have more than you need, share with your less-prepared shooting friends. If you don't have enough, this is a good time to think about being more prepared for situations that might arise.

 

[geeollie]

It will continue for some time, but sooner or later (I believe) most people will reach a point where they run out of room, money or simply realize they have enough.

Many on this forum have stated they have not purchased anything ammo related in a very long time because they have enough.