Where are all the 4" 27's

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I've been going to gun shops and gun shows for many years and probally have seen a couple 4"er's mostly in rough shape. I see more 3.5 27's and 2.5 pythons than a 4" 27 what gives? But you can guarantee when I find a mint one it will be mine! Are they that rare not to hardly see them, I'm sure most guys that have them are sitting on them which I can't blame I know I have plenty that I'm saving. Maybe if someone has a pic I would love to see one! Thanks
 
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I've been going to gun shops and gun shows for many years and probally have seen a couple 4"er's mostly in rough shape. I see more 3.5 27's and 2.5 pythons than a 4" 27 what gives? But you can guarantee when I find a mint one it will be mine! Are they that rare not to hardly see them, I'm sure most guys that have them are sitting on them which I can't blame I know I have plenty that I'm saving. Maybe if someone has a pic I would love to see one! Thanks
 
I see more 3.5 27's and 2.5 pythons than a 4" 27 <span class="ev_code_RED">what gives?</span>

They didn't make as many 4"ers as they did 3 1/2's
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. Cant comment on the short Python
 
Originally posted by gunnut44:
I've been going to gun shops and gun shows for many years and probally have seen a couple 4"er's mostly in rough shape. I see more 3.5 27's and 2.5 pythons than a 4" 27 what gives? But you can guarantee when I find a mint one it will be mine! Are they that rare not to hardly see them, I'm sure most guys that have them are sitting on them which I can't blame I know I have plenty that I'm saving. Maybe if someone has a pic I would love to see one! Thanks

I thought I cut a fat hog over the weekend on a 4" gun (labeled as such) unfired in the PC, but when I got it home I measured it on a hunch and it was a 5". It was a good deal as a 5" but not near as good if it had been a 4"
 
Here you go my 27-2 with plain nickled sights. The picture's are not the best but they're all I've got at this time. The gun look's much better in person.
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They only made them for a few short years (ok Smithnut says 12
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) around 1980. Here is mine, a 27-2 after three year search. This is a first year gun. Not a great picture, but WOW what a great gun.

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Just for fun, the text from an old post by me on the subject:
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A few years back (about ~2000) I researched the M27 barrel lengths re: number of years each barrel length was "offered/cataloged" in S&W documents (Annual catalogs, All Model Circulars, Price lists). For Postwar manufacturing, the .357 Magnum (pre-M27) and Model 27 was offered in the following barrel lengths for the following number of years:

6 inch barrel.......- 1946 - 1974 - 49 years
8.375 inch barrel.- 1946 - 1991 - 46 years
3.5 inch barrel....- 1946 - 1979 - 34 years
5 inch barrel.......- 1946 - 1979 - 34 years
6.5 inch barrel....- 1946 - 1968 - 23 years
4 inch barrel.......- 1980 - 1991 - 12 years

Notes:

1-Prior to Cataloging the 4", Special orders accounted for all 4" Production
2-Model 27 sales (in general) very sluggish after the Model 19 introduced
3-Model 27 4" cataloged the first time in 1980, same year that the L frame was introduced
4-Duty usage of 4" M27 probably slow as compared to the (lower cost) M28 Highway Patrolman after 1954
5-Almost all Nickel 4" models noted to date have been around 1980 production M27-2, all with TT/TH/TS/WO/RR !!!!
6-Years cataloged may not directly correlate to actual production numbers, but it certainly speaks to general availability and order ability, after-all folks usually buy what is offered and knowing that the factory didn't usually build to order in later years, the ability of a consumer to call and order a non-cataloged barrel length had almost stopped by the mid 1970's.
7- The above is for "standard" production guns; it does not cover any Commemorative or re-issue special editions. (Both the 3.5 and 5" were re-introduced at least once) Update – the current Classic line info isn't included in the above.
8- For those of us that remember the 1970's and the fact that Model 27's languished on store shelves for many many months back then, it's curious to think just what S&W was thinking when they introduced the 4" barrel length when they did - exactly the same time as the introduction of the L frame models. With poor sales of N frame 357 Magnum leading up to 1980, one has to wonder just how many 4" M27's actually sold during the years that they were cataloged. Can't be that many in the overall scheme of things. Whether you are interested in the pinned and recessed versions (-2), the transition models of the -3 or the regular -3 versions, there are not all that many to be found.

The above information is meant to note what the factory was offering, not production quantities. Based on the number of year's offered and general observations, the 4 inch model is the hardest to find.

It is amazing to me that the 3.5: and 5" are viewed as being the scarcest. In the NW, it seems like I see more 8.375" models than any others.
 
Thanks Rob. Hope you agree, the 27-2 was only made for a couple years though. As you noted they started in 1980 and in 1982 they went to the 27-3 and dropped the pinned barrel and recessed cylinder. I also have a 4" 27-4, but it just doesn't grab me like the 27-2.
 
Dick,
Agreed. The number of years for 4" guns is only 12, a startling number when it's all said and done. When you factor the -2 angle, yes - only 3 years total. Now, let's not forget that the odd (earlier) special production gun shows up from time to time, so there's no telling what quantity that might represent. As an example this one from 1956:

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Here are two four inch 27-2's (from 1980 and 1981) and (because I already had the picture on file) some 1/2" shorter 27-2's:

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Sorry, no pic, but I've got a 4" nickle 27-2 with the 3Ts.

Looks just about new, so I doubt it was fired much.
 
Originally posted by lsufan1971:
SmithNut how rare would a 4" nickel P&R be?

Quite honestly, I've seen more nickel versions than blue. Maybe on the order of 2:1 or 3:1, at least up here in the NW. Remember, running into any 4" is hard, but most that I've seen (other than pictured on this forum over the past couple years) have been nickel guns.
 
Originally posted by SmithNut:
Originally posted by lsufan1971:
SmithNut how rare would a 4" nickel P&R be?

Quite honestly, I've seen more nickel versions than blue. Maybe on the order of 2:1 or 3:1, at least up here in the NW. Remember, running into any 4" is hard, but most that I've seen (other than pictured on this forum over the past couple years) have been nickel guns.
Bingo! I owned three nickel four inch 27-2's(two P&R, one not) before I scored a blue four inch P&R 27-2, so my NW experience would correspond to SmithNut's figures.

Brian~
 
Found one. Last year. Counterbored but not pinned. Did not know it was scarce when I found it.

But I did know ,as soon as I saw it ,,I Liked It
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The first revolver I ever bought circa 1987. I have since put the original target stocks back on.

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Here's one somebody "dressed". I've got almost all the parts to go back to stock.

Still need a nickel ejector rod, and could use a better condition thumbpiece.

1980 by the s/n.
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