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Yahoo is showcasing this story..a father whipping his 16 year old daughter for illegally pirating media from the internet...although they actually say he's beating his child. The media portrays this as child abuse, citing some doctor from a university saying that whippings using objects such as belts are usually deemed beyond normal physical punishment.

Personally, I got worse whippings than this just for smarting off. And just for the record, belts don't hurt as bad as hickory limbs... just thought I'd see if anyone else ever got whipped.



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I think if there were "belt to butt" action, we would have a lot less crime and gang problems.

Still, I think some things should not be videoed.
 
Kids need limits, and consequences for not heeding them. I don't think there was a kid in my neighborhood growing up who didn't get whipped once or twice a week, and some of us made it an everyday thing......or so it seemed.

Somehow, it didn't warp my fragile little eggshell mind, turn me into a psychopath, or make me hate my parents. I guess I didn't appreciate what a poor, tragic "victim" I was.

Show me a loudmouthed, insolent brat, and I'll show you a parent who is trying too hard to be the kid's best friend to actually do any parenting. My kids got yelled at, swatted, and sometimes turned over my knee. They're all just fine. Or at least they pretend to be. ;)
 
my dad used to kick my ***, i thank him all
the time for keeping me straight through the
early years.

if i posted a video about my dad whipping me. let
me tell you, when he would get a hold of me later
O BOY talk about a whippin.

thanksgiving should be a lot of fun for that family this year...
 
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I heard the audio, and that was enough for me. If its real, I hope he goes to jail.

I know lots of folks believe in corporal punishment. I don't, but I have no real problem with it within boundaries.

This guy just loses it. He's swearing at her, dropping f-bombs, and is not in control of himself. I lost count of the whacks at 15. He says he'll "beat her into submission". According to the audio, he's angry because she put a game on the computer.

Just because someone else got beat worse doesn't make this right. If a kid gets beaten like this and grows up to do it to his kids, he didn't "turn out all right".

I suspect this guy is like most child abusers I deal with - a weak person who needs to dominate someone.

He makes me sick.
 
The father says he lost his temper. That tells me the beating was to satisfy his anger rather than a thoughtful exercise in child discipline. IMO, an angry parent would do well to chill before discipline is dispensed, physical or otherwise.
 
This is child abuse, IMO. In the first place, she is well past the age where a spanking is appropriate or effective. I spanked our children when they were young, as was I spanked as a child. I think spanking has its place in child discipline. However, spanking should only be done when age appropriate, and also when the parent is in control of his or her emotions. This father obviously has some rage issues, and his repeated use of profanity and threats to hit her in the face and other parts of her body, plus the prolonged and repeated spanking, is completely out of line and totally wrong.

Ask yourself: is this a video you would want seen by family and friends depicting how you discipline your child?
 
I don't like it. A bully is all he is. You don't take a strap to your daughter's bare legs to punish her for downloading a video game.
 
Right out of the bible no less, "Spare the rod, spoil the child!"
 
Been dealing with children, youth and families since 1982 as a full-time vocational minister. This is not appropriate parental discipline. This is pure and simple abuse for which there is no excuse. As a minimum the father needs serious professional help. Unless and until he is able to demonstrate credible and significant change... he does not need to have uncontrolled access to his daughter. The daughter and mother need professional help so that they can best move on with their lives. Sad situation.
 
feralmerril said:
Right out of the bible no less, "Spare the rod, spoil the child!"
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Actually, that is a line from a 17th century poem called "Hudbras" by Samuel Butler, and isn't in the Bible (it is commonly misquoted as a Biblical reference):

"What medicine else can cure the fits
Of lovers when they lose their wits?
Love is a boy by poets styled
Then spare the rod and spoil the child."

The actual Bible verse is:

"Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him." [Proverbs 13:24] This isn't an instruction for corporeal punishment; the Hebrew word used in this verse for "discipline" was also used in many other verses, and always (in context) translated as instruction or correction. The "rod" in this case is symbolic of the authority of the head of the household, and his responsibility to properly raise the children of the household.
 
A 16 year old girl? He should be horse whipped. He's an abuser, not being a good parent. It was very distasteful to see that, very sad and sickening.

Lefty
 
The problem for me is that the guy is a family law judge passing judgment on others about how they raise their kids, handle their anger and deal with family situations. I don't believe he should be prosecuted, but he should be removed from the bench. At the very least, he should be reassigned from family law. Let him handle traffic court or something. JMHO

Oh, by the way, I was whipped with a belt a few times when I was young (under 11 years old). However, my dad was never red-faced mad when he did it. I personally believe this guy crossed the line doing this to a 16 year old girl. Not to point of unlawful, but he's still a jerk in my book. Again, JMHO
 
I find a few things suspicious and indicative.
the tape is cut and looped for your ghoulish pleasure
and then we have some other actions ...
Judge: "Go get me the belt"
mother in a scene soon after is standing there with said belt.
not sure how it works in TX but I can tell you my wife has a mind of her own and will use it to tell me to get bent.
her actions support the whippin ... and it seems she believes it justified.
I can only assume there is a few chapters worth of back story left untold therefore, im leaving it alone
 
My mom passed away when I was 6 from cancer, and until my dad remarried, I had quite a few belts to the behind. I wasn't doing my homework, lied about report cards and notes sent home about my lack of interest in school, etc. I was not "bad" per se, just a terrible student. Education meant the world to my dad, so he tried to beat an education into me.

Dad was frustrated, never home, and over his head raising a boy on his own. I was grieving, and had trouble sleeping with really bad nightmares so I spent a lot of the time daydreaming trying to escape the loss of my mom.

Did it work? NO. What got me to eventually straighten out and become more responsible was the long-term example setting of my dad showing me what a good work ethic is, always showing and telling me to do the very best I could do no matter if I was doing something mundane or important. THAT's what worked.

I will never hit/spank/whip my boy. At almost 3 years old he is very well behaved and does extremely well in school (language immersion school). Some of his good behavior is his natural disposition, but I think most of it is my wife and I setting clear (and standardized) rules, consistent application of the rules, and instant consequences for infractions (every child has something they covet that you can use as leverage).

Consequences have to be quickly an unfailingly applied and appropriate for the infraction. If you threaten and never follow up, oh-oh! Even if the consequence is you sacrificing something you want, it must be done, and done right away.

Children want boundaries. Yes, he always pushes boundaries. That's the job of kids! Its ours to keep standards, be consistent, and always back each other up (mommy and daddy gotta be on same page).

Of course, YMMV!
 
the mother was also involved in the whipping and the girl has cerebral palsy. this guy needs to go a few rounds with a mixed martial arts expert.
 
A lot of abusers/beaters use that quote to justify their violent actions. I doubt that God condones such excessive discipline as seen on the video.

Charlie

feralmerril said:
Right out of the bible no less, "Spare the rod, spoil the child!"
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I have never had children but would be in big trouble for treating my horses like that. He's a judge?
 
spearcrow said:
Yahoo is showcasing this story..a father whipping his 16 year old daughter for illegally pirating media from the internet...although they actually say he's beating his child. The media portrays this as child abuse, citing some doctor from a university saying that whippings using objects such as belts are usually deemed beyond normal physical punishment.

Personally, I got worse whippings than this just for smarting off. And just for the record, belts don't hurt as bad as hickory limbs... just thought I'd see if anyone else ever got whipped]
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First I want to make the observation that bootlegging is possibly a worse offense in a judges house than mine.My grandmothers liked switches,that you cut for them and brought to them.My dad was fond of his frat paddle from college.:eek: Had ATO tatooed across my but many times:D.
I believe the guy stepped out of line simply because he delivered it while emotional and angry to be effectively it must be done calmly and clinically.Also before critisizing him too stongly we need to look at history.How often did this happen?WHY?(why being a very big Q,seen my girlfriends son get it over something seemingly small,but it was the straw that broke the camels back,and based on constant BAD,horrible,behavior and he had been pushing it as hard as he could for weeks cuz he had the I'm in highschool you cant spank me anymore )

A few weeks ago my oldest son,who will be 15 this weekend,told me he still remembered the spanking he got when he got caught on the bed with the SKS on his lap fondling it.I lit that behind up.He was only 3 or so.Not only does he remember it hes safer with firearms than most adults,doesnt touch them without permission,is allowed high volume target practice,and hasnt had to have a whipping in YEARS.He's a darn good kid,andunderstands that if all else fails,there is the final option.Consequenses are real,learn it now or regret it later.
 
The video was recorded seven years ago. She says she just uploaded it because of a phone conversation with him that upset her. Hmmmm...

The whipping was because she basically illegally downloaded music files. I've raised three kids to maturity, and every one of them got spanked several times during their 19,26,28 years, but never with a belt, and I was in control of my temper the entire time.

Everyone is in a rush to judge this man without full knowledge of the situation, you see one tape of a few minutes duration and have no idea what sort of behavior this girl has exhibited over the time before the man finally lost his cool. Easy to judge from afar... but IMHO he made a mistake, sure he lost it for a few minutes, but it was SEVEN YEARS AGO...

To those of you who raised perfect children who never "pushed your buttons", I say lucky you. The rest of us that had children who knew just how to get on your last nerve and do the fandango on it know that it's a fine line before an ***-whoopin comes along. Tape it? Man, I'd a' expected a whopping after that...
 
I stand corrected: The Bible verse itself reads, "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him. Proverbs 13:24 (NIV)".
Still, the verse in essence sounds the same to me.
I have seen, (Not my daughter, but elsewhere,) kids actualy swear and say vulger things to their parents. When things get that far out of hand what do you do? Actualy, the battle had to be lost far, far before that to get to that point. In my case outside of a few light spankings as a small kid that I dont remember, I dont recall any problem. My dad was as big and tough as they come and he didnt have to do anything but give me that "look".
I do recall him spanking my sister when she was about 8. We had went to a carnival. I rode everything but she was timid and didnt. When we were leaveing she didnt want to go, but wanted to go back and ride the rides. We were driveing through a jam packed intersection leaveing the fairgrounds. She opened her door and tried jumping out of the car with it moveing. Pa stopped right in the middle of the intersection and busted her butt so hard even I started feeling sorry for her. Horns were blowing as pa had stopped traffic as he was disiplineing her.
I said I never spanked my daughter, but just remember once when I did. My ex had ran off with another married man so I wasnt around my daughter that much. I got her for a weekend when she was about 11 or 12. I had found out from my ex that she was a big problem at the time with her. I was sitting in the house barefoot and asked her what was going on. She grabbed her suitcase and walked out the door with me yelling for her to get back in the house. Remember, she was about 70 miles away from her mothers house! I got my boots on and followed her down the street repeatedly telling her to get back in the house. About a block away where I didnt know those neighbors she stopped and wanted to argue. For some reason there was a number of people out on the street. I again ordered her to go home and she gave me some lip. So what do you gentil experts recomend? I picked her up and put her over my shoulder. It was like picking up a wildcat! She bit my forearm drawing blood, also kicking and scratching. It surprised me and I did spank her butt--hard! Some neighbors were asking each other should they call the police! I told them to back off, she was 70 miles from her mother and I couldnt let her walk off. They did back off and didnt call.
The point here is outsiders dont know whats really going on. This judge probley could tell you his story too, but ouside of a light explaination wasnt going to air out the dirt. When I was younger I was a lot more judgemental myself and thought myself a good profiler too. The older I get, the less judgemental I am.
Just today my wife and I was in IHOP. Very few people were in there, but a guy my age or older came in with two women. (I am 70). I was trying to figure out one of the ladys as she appeared either to have dementia, alzheimers, drunk early in the day, or on drugs. The other woman, probley was a daughter in law, not sure. She tried to take her to either the bathroom or the car. She was hanging onto a partitian. Now they were fighting. The guy hollered for the woman to go put her in the car. We were leaveing. I had noticed the old boy comeing in and he was very crippled up in the knees, I am too but nothing like him. I got up and went to him and asked if he wanted me to help. He said something about the woman haveing multable surroiss (sp?). Now I never heard of that disease affecting the mind as it appeared this woman was demostraiting. Maybe I should have explored the event more, but it looked somewhat like they were getting it straightend out as we were leaveing.
By the way, today I and my daughter, both of us couldnt be more pleased and proud of the other, but we did have our moments 20 years ago!

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"Actualy, the battle had to be lost far, far before that to get to that point."

Amen to that ferilmerril.

Parenting ain't for the lazy!!!
 
I grew up with whippings and a hell of a lot of hollering.Swore I wouldnt raise mine that way and I didnt.They are in there twenties now ,independent and successful.They have far better attitudes than I do.The guy is an ***.If you have to resort to whippings and hollerin to get a kid to do whats right,you aint too bright.
 
jws1006 said:
First I want to make the observation that bootlegging is possibly a worse offense in a judges house than mine.My grandmothers liked switches,that you cut for them and brought to them.My dad was fond of his frat paddle from college.:eek: Had ATO tatooed across my but many times:D.
I believe the guy stepped out of line simply because he delivered it while emotional and angry to be effectively it must be done calmly and clinically.Also before critisizing him too stongly we need to look at history.How often did this happen?WHY?(why being a very big Q,seen my girlfriends son get it over something seemingly small,but it was the straw that broke the camels back,and based on constant BAD,horrible,behavior and he had been pushing it as hard as he could for weeks cuz he had the I'm in highschool you cant spank me anymore )

A few weeks ago my oldest son,who will be 15 this weekend,told me he still remembered the spanking he got when he got caught on the bed with the SKS on his lap fondling it.I lit that behind up.He was only 3 or so.Not only does he remember it hes safer with firearms than most adults,doesnt touch them without permission,is allowed high volume target practice,and hasnt had to have a whipping in YEARS.He's a darn good kid,andunderstands that if all else fails,there is the final option.Consequenses are real,learn it now or regret it later.
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Yeah...leaving an SKS within reach of a 3 year old, and he's the one who got the beating?
 
That guy was off the wall WRONG. He's a freakin sadist. These are the people that sit in judgement of others. You think any kid that went through his court would be allowed to stay home if a video like that was brought up?
Don't make me laugh. He is a SCUMBAG.
 
arjay said:
I grew up with whippings and a hell of a lot of hollering.Swore I wouldnt raise mine that way and I didnt.They are in there twenties now ,independent and successful.They have far better attitudes than I do.The guy is an ***.If you have to resort to whippings and hollerin to get a kid to do whats right,you aint too bright.
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your quite fortunate.
in the family I was raised, we ended up with 3 of us being conservatives and one a lib ...
its a matter of base personality.
some of these base personalities absolutely do require vigorous correctional techniques.

I was all of 17, my father a truck driver, so that what needed doin in his absence was done by me.
the task at hand was repair of a damaged banister on the staircase to be followed by replacing a piece of drywall when my younger sister came from her room brandishing a knife in order to leverage my mother into letting her go out and score more drugs ... like the day before which put the home repairs on my todo list in the first place.
the chunk of wood I was working on got broke across the back of her legs which put her to the floor where I then stepped on her wrist holding the knife then proceeded to use what force necessary to cause her to volunteer the weapon.
if taped im sure id be demonized .... I plumb had it with the violence holding me hostage.
funny thing is ... after the use of force her behavior started to improve !!!
didnt do anything for her lib viewpoint but less time and money spent fixing the house as she destroyed it felt like being released from a POW camp.

I cant judge the man
 
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