Who can tell me about these stamps.

[PINMAN]

This came in for repairs and I noticed these stamps. I think the factory repaired it long ago but I'm curious what these are.
Thanks in advance.
Keep Shootin'

 

[bigggbbruce]

European proof marks...

Someone will come along that knows more..

 

[Daniel Howe]

Don't know but I fixed the picture for you

 

[PINMAN]

Thank you for fixing the pic. I'm a gunsmith not a Techie..

 

[Waveski]

I think that the one following "LA" is a staghorn ... it would be great if I could explain the significance but cannot. I've seen that before while researching something... an old drilling maybe?

 

[bigggbbruce]

They are German. FFM Frankfort? Here are some proofmarks from HK..and that's IA.. 1980The Symbols on HK Firearms
VB FL. Vero Beach Florida.. importer..?

 

[P.44]

German C.I.P. proof marks:

German eagle with N = Normal = Nitro proof
On the barrel, the frame
and there should be a 3. stamp on the cylinder...

C.I.P. proofed in IA = 80 = 1980
in the Proof House Ulm (the "antler")
Beschussamt Ulm - Staatliche Stelle f"ur Beschusswesen und Sicherheitstechnik

ENGELS FFM = (Waffen-) Engels, Frankfurt/Main
gaspistole, waffen, zoraki, gaswaffe, schreckschuss

Here you can download the C.I.P. proofmarks
Old proof marks | Drupal

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[bigggbbruce]

German C.I.P. proof marks:

Thanks for the info.. I knew someone had the knowledge..

 

[bigggbbruce]

I think the factory repaired it long ago but I'm curious what these are.
Thanks in advance.
Keep Shootin'

As noted this gun was shipped and proofed in Germany and then returned to the US..

 

[P.44]

There were a lot of US-soldiers in the Rhein/Main Aera
(...before the "Mauerfall")

Attached:
1). M 66-1, C.I.P. proofed 1979 in Ulm
got it for my father in April 1979 from...Waffen-Engels

2). Happy Hunter (My father = "Schwein gehabt" !)

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[bigggbbruce]

There were a lot of US-soldiers in the Rhein/Main Aera
(...before the "Mauerfall")

Attached:
1). M 66-1, C.I.P. proofed 1979 in Ulm
got it for my father in April 1979 from...Waffen-Engels

2). Happy Hunter (My father = "Schwein gehabt" !)

P.44

There 'ya go, doesn't get any better than that.

 

[handlebar]

here are the proof marks on my 1969 model 60. It was purchased in Germany at a Rod and Hunt club and I bought it from the original owner. As I understand it, Germany would not sell a gun unless it passed their proofing with higher than standard loads.


https://i.imgur.com/n4g1UXA.jpg

 

[P.44]

To handlebar:
Your M 60 was C.I.P. proofed here:
Bayerische Beschussverwaltung - Beschussamt M"unchen

The C.I.P. "pressure specs" for 38 Special (scroll down)
CIP - Homologation

Under "TDCC" (choose language EN) you can download
the cartridge(max) & chamber(min) dimensions

...and compare it with
SAAMI


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[handlebar]

To handlebar:
Your M 60 was C.I.P. proofed here:
Bayerische Beschussverwaltung - Beschussamt M"unchen

The C.I.P. "pressure specs" for 38 Special (scroll down)
CIP - Homologation

Under "TDCC" (choose language EN) you can download
the cartridge(max) & chamber(min) dimensions

...and compare it with
SAAMI

P.44

thanks for that information...it is a lot to absorb.