Who else is caught in the pistol arm brace fiasco?

STORMINORMAN said:
The "group that is being wronged" by the ATF is the legal, law-abiding population (estimated at around a third of a billion) of the United States whose Constitutional Rights are, indeed, intentionally and unlawfully being infringed.

They lost BIG on bump stocks & they'll lose on braces: hopefully it will be a preliminary (soon followed by a permanent?) injunction. My personal opinion is the several "Blue" States and the ATF are going to sufficiently piss off the Supremes to the point that a far reaching decision (perhaps something even to the extent of a summary judgement?) might further the NYSRPA v Bruen constraints on the panoply of new anti-2nd Amendment legislations and the typical ATF overreach.

There could be a virtual litany of current, proposed and previously imposed regulations, laws, rules & provisions that should never have been enacted & are doomed to fail: the only ones to benefit will be the public sector (as in Federal, State & even local) attorneys who will be joyously spending untold millions of taxpayers dollars trying to delay and defend them.

P.S. Bet this thread gets moved...:rolleyes:
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This is real. Spent 25 yrs working for a goobermental agency that occasionally and deliberately wrote guidances that were in direct contradiction to laws the legislatures wrote and gov signed off on. I made many career enhancing decisions to publically go against such guidances/abuses. This is way bigger than just the firearms industry.

It's goobermental agencies role to administer/enforce the laws, not write them or change them. Whoever wrote this mess probably knew this full well, and didn't care. The boss told them to do it so someone could build up anti gun creds, and take credit if they succeeded. Or to blame the other side when courts stuck it down and use it for campaign material.
 
Sistema1927 said:
It appears so.

I have a couple of braced AR pistols. I am debating filing the eform to SBR them or just remove the braces and put foam covers on the buffer tubes. I have a suppressor in NFA jail right now with Silencer Shop, and it appears the they are opening up their system to accommodate forms for braced pistol registration. If this will allow me to submit without having to get re-fingerprinted, etc. I might just take that course of action.
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I just asked a friend about SS doing the filing. Since they have my prints and picture…..

They will also send you two cards with your prints for $15 if you want to file snail mail.


Completed Fingerprint Cards - Silencer Shop
 
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I think the entire scheme is to get everyone on the NFA, so they can have a white list of gun owners, and a right to break their doors down. Worst thing possible is to get an NFA item. Tax free or not.

Also, don't be posting pictures or information about what you have. Best to just keep that secret. Just remember, in the first pages of the document, they are retroactively declaring that all of these weapons were ALWAYS illegal SBR's. Just plain better to not have it on the internet record.
 
Unless something has changed since last Monday, according to the ATF field supervisor I get my inside info from, the “directive” has been shelved indefinitely until it goes through Congress’ floor for feedback.
If it does pass, as of now, no engraving and all grandfathered in with tax waivers will be able to be resold as such, NO transfers will be required , “makes no sense” was his comment. All AR’s with braces will be reclassified as SBR’s going forward.
I’ll keep y’all updated as he updates me.
Good to go at the time being.
 
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I logged into my ATF account and filled out the no tax form 1 yesterday.

I'll wait a few days to see what happens before I submit it.
 
6518John said:
Every one of us. Never forget this admonition about government overreach:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller
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I seem to remember an adaptation of this being applied to firearms, when the owners of a type of firearm not being pursued for banning at the particular moment think that their guns will never be targeted for banning and confiscation.

Keep in mind at this moment if an Australian wanted to acquire a Remington 870 pump shotgun he won't be able to, because they are now all through the crusher in Australia.
 
CAJUNLAWYER said:
"3rd rate shyster public defender"???:confused:???
Where did THAT come from? You do realize thet one cannot become a felon just by standing there with an arm brace. One must be charged, tried and convicted before one can become a felon.What makes you think that a public defender would be "happy" for 10,000,000 more cases to handle???
Your statement is, for lack of a better word that would get me banned' boorish at best and exhibits a remarkable ignorance. I hope that you get charged by the Feds with a felony-any felony- so you can experience first hand the criminal justice system. And when you get acuitted after having spend all of your life savings on attorney fees because you do not qualify for a third rate shyster public defender that pisses outmore about criminal law knowlege after his/her morning coffee than most of the private attpeneys you might hire-rethink yout post.
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If, by some chance, you mistakenly thought that I was in any way referring to you... I apologize. That was never the case.

On the other hand, I would never wish anyone to be falsely charged, much less beggared, by a clearly unConstitutional and illegal fatuous proposed regulation...

But, that's just me. Boorishly, at best?

Cheers!

P.S. Now that I review the thread, how could I have possibly offended you, since you had not posted prior to my initial comment...? Well, I'm sorry, never the less: I would never want to offend anyone unintentionally...

P.P.S. Most of the time there's clearly intent...;)
 
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Golddollar said:
I seem to remember an adaptation of this being applied to firearms, when the owners of a type of firearm not being pursued for banning at the particular moment think that their guns will never be targeted for banning and confiscation.

Keep in mind at this moment if an Australian wanted to acquire a Remington 870 pump shotgun he won't be able to, because they are now all through the crusher in Australia.
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At my old gun club in NY, the trap shooters wanted the rifle range closed down when they were shooting even though there was a berm and sound barrier in place.
The trap shooters also took umbrage of the club requirement to be an NRA member, but had no choice. Apparently they felt no one would ever touch their precious shotguns.
 
As the OP of this thread, I truly appreciate all of the feedback and opinions. Although I've registered on ATF eforms, I think that I will hold off on filling out a Form 1 until there is a lot more clarification on whether or not the ATF's ruling stands or not, and if it does, when the 120 day clock begins. I'm really not in any hurry to register anything with the gov't.
 
I never had a factory assembled AR . Ours have always been home assembled for select brands of parts so the only thing I have to track is a multi-cal lower from years gone by . I did assembled an ar9 pistol with a 10" barrel years ago and found it shootable with out a brace by just placing the buffr tube on my check but I did order a brace in early 2013 from SB Tactical . It did not take long for both my wife and decided the whole pistol thang was nothing special and pulled off the pistol buffer tube with brace on it and barrel and sold them at a local gun show while standing in line before going in the door ! So while there I shopped for a a used carbine buffer tube and adjustable stock and got a deal in those items .

THis AR9 ran with colt straight mags and a metal colt/uzi mag adaptor and ended up ordering a GM 16" 9mm barrel to assemble a carbine . Been that way since and its a great fun gun or HD gun . We also like hyperfire 2.5lb trigger in the AR9 but use there PDI 2lb trigger in 223 wydle carbines.

I had an early PA MD-ADS red dot on the 9mm and a now have a vortex mini 3x magnifier added to it . HD mags ares filled with barnes 115gr tac xpd for HD . Shooting from a bench at 50 yard my 125gr coated swc practice ammo will group 1 3/4" at 50 yards . The barnes +P will be close to 1 1/2 " and underwood 124gr gd +P very close to 1" groups . This is far more practical as a carbine than a 10" pistol and swings better when shooting at various steel plates we have on our range . Still easy to unpin and carry in a hunters back pack .

No interest in registering anything today with the feds .
 
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Duckford said:
I think the entire scheme is to get everyone on the NFA, so they can have a white list of gun owners, and a right to break their doors down. Worst thing possible is to get an NFA item. Tax free or not.

Also, don't be posting pictures or information about what you have. Best to just keep that secret. Just remember, in the first pages of the document, they are retroactively declaring that all of these weapons were ALWAYS illegal SBR's. Just plain better to not have it on the internet record.
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I'm probably already on a quite a few lists.

That picture was already posted on the internet, here and elsewhere, and until 120 days after the publication of those regs they are perfectly legal according to prior ATF directives. I am an NRA Endowment Life Member, and SAF Life Member. I have a suppressor in "NFA jail", and I buy ammo online using a credit card. I have, or have had, CCW permits in three states. I have filled out numerous 4473's. I belong to this, and several other firearms BBS's.

How many more lists can they put me on?
 
Here is my question,
I have a few spare stripped lowers in my safe. Can I just register them as SBR's under this rule even if I don't own a brace? If not, can I just buy a cheap brace, mount it on a receiver, register it, then throw the brace away? Can I take a bolt action rifle and chop the barrel to 14", then register it?
I am just wondering if there are other ways to take advantage of this debacle.
 
Now, not "not"

Paul in Nevada said:
Here is my question,
I have a few spare stripped lowers in my safe. Can I just register them as SBR's under this rule even if I don't own a brace? If not, can I just buy a cheap brace, mount it on a receiver, register it, then throw the brace away? Can I take a bolt action rifle and chop the barrel to 14", then register it?
I am just wondering if there are other ways to take advantage of this debacle.
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Now that's some proper thinking.:cool:
 
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Why do they even need a picture? It’s to their advantage to get you to register the gun.

Maybe take a pic off the net?
 
Here is a good video to watch.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWR1bN-KNSk[/ame]
And his followup
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnvPdE75qZs[/ame]
 
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