Who will be making 870's in the future

First pump was a used Mossberg 500 with a variable choke on it. Next, I bought a new Winchester 1300 when they first came out, did not like it and got a new Browning BPS, still have it. Great gun. I also acquired an 870 excop gun, a WingMaster. Good gun, I also put a camo plastic stock on it, as the walnut stock was really used and showed it. Also, I was given a Rem Express barrel with chokes which fit the 870 just fine, so now have a hunting and defense shotgun all in one.
 
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Love the 870. I have a few the oldest one my dad gave me 45 years ago. Not one problem and it has been used. I got 4 diff barrels for it and it has serve me well on all kind of hunts. Long Live the 870!
 
Rems last good pump was the 31. Rem 870 is probably the top selling pump. The Win 12 is the pump shotgun others are judged by. 870 is not in same league as the milled parts guns. Mossberg 500 series is going to end being the top seller know that Rem is gone. When Win went down the tubes in 63 it left market wide open for Rem to take.Rem had got into stamping during WW2. The 870 was never best shotgun ever built and neither will be Mossberg. But there is going to be thousands of them. The reason is they have been cheap to build. It use to be if you couldn’t swing a Winchesters price you settled for second best Remington. Mossberg never figured in major market back then.
Scope is on 870 for deer hunting with slugs.In Ohio this is common. There is no reason I should still have the 870, it wasn’t worth enough to worry about selling. At near same time I bought a new 742 Rem. I forget which one I bought first. I did get rid of the 742c Deluxe, I will say one thing for the 870. At 100yds it shot as good or better than the 742c.
You can by a high condition w12, Rem 31 or It37 for $300-$350. There is no doubt the my 870 will bring about twice that and a used Mossberg as much or more, especially if black.
 
As far as I know, nobody has bought the rights to the Remington® brandname nor their designs, so until somebody does, the answer is nobody. (Unless you count the vast number of clones that are still in production which are for all intents and purposes the exact same gun, minus the brandname/model number.)

Personally, I hope that whoever picks up Remington will not only produce high quality Remington 870s, but will also improve the design by taking a few cues from the Mossberg 590, which is not only has a more intuitive layout when it comes to the controls, but is also easier to repair because parts such as the extractor are screwed in rather than riveted in place. Because honestly, the Remington 870 was behind the Mossberg 590A1 in practically every way, with it's only relevant niche being that the receiver was Steel rather than Aluminum, which really only appealed to folks who still don't believe that Aluminum is durable enough to withstand the test of time.

Someone reputable needs to secure the rights to the Remington brand then redesign the 870 so that all of its controls are arranged in such a fashion in which they can be worked without breaking the shooter's grip.
I would like to see Smith & Wesson buy Remington and resume production of their firearms, as I think that they could do the brand justice.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the companies who builds custom/specialty 870s like Black Aces Tactical, Serbu Firearms, or Wilson Combat were to purchase the rights to the 870 for the sake of maintaining a profitable product line while simultaneously illuminating the competition.
Why in the world would anyone in their right mind redesign the Remington 870 to be a Mossberg? If someone wants a Mossberg, great, but most people who buy the 870 want it like it is.
 
In the early 1980s I bought an 870 for each of my sons. The younger one was living in New Orleans in 2005 during Hurricane Katrina, he and his wife were away on a trip and their house flooded, his 870 spent about a week under his bed in flood water. Then another few days before we could get in there to pick up what was salvageable. I brought the 870 to a local gunsmith, who serviced it and it has been fine ever since. It does need a
reblue job, and some work on the wood stock but shoots fine and a good "battle scars" souvenir.
Great guns!
Steve W
 
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I don't hunt with pump guns, but my favorite pump is the 870. I currently have a Mossberg 500 in the safe, but I've seen more problems with brand new 500's than I have with 870's. If you're going to put an optic on a turkey gun, I'd rather have a steel receiver drilled and tapped than aluminum. I'd think the 870 sells too well for someone not to keep producing them. Hopefully they don't cheapen the design like so often happens when someone takes over a product line.
 
At one time many years ago I wasn't concerned about who would be making them in the future.... :(

Should have kept most of these, they are/were favs.....


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Rems last good pump was the 31. Rem 870 is probably the top selling pump. The Win 12 is the pump shotgun others are judged by. 870 is not in same league as the milled parts guns. Mossberg 500 series is going to end being the top seller know that Rem is gone. When Win went down the tubes in 63 it left market wide open for Rem to take.Rem had got into stamping during WW2. The 870 was never best shotgun ever built and neither will be Mossberg. But there is going to be thousands of them. The reason is they have been cheap to build. It use to be if you couldn’t swing a Winchesters price you settled for second best Remington. Mossberg never figured in major market back then.
Scope is on 870 for deer hunting with slugs.In Ohio this is common. There is no reason I should still have the 870, it wasn’t worth enough to worry about selling. At near same time I bought a new 742 Rem. I forget which one I bought first. I did get rid of the 742c Deluxe, I will say one thing for the 870. At 100yds it shot as good or better than the 742c.
You can by a high condition w12, Rem 31 or It37 for $300-$350. There is no doubt the my 870 will bring about twice that and a used Mossberg as much or more, especially if black.

Checking GB the model 37's are selling for around $400, Model 12's for around $500 and 870's around $600. The higher prices for the 870 are probably due to the fact that they have been in production forever and parts are still available. Those prices seem to be in the ballpark judging from what I see around here. Of course prices depend on location so if you're down there in Lake Charles you might be able to trade into an old Wingmaster without being hurt too bad. :D
 
Our dept has been in 870s well before me.

They have been rugged long guns within arms reach.

I did order LE mag springs back in Oct 2020 (for the +2) and still waiting.

We have one that is having extraction issues. It appears the detent behind the extractor wore a ridge and is getting stuck.

I hope parts are available down the road. I should have some old 870 bolts that I can rob the detent.

here is my 870P I bought as a trade in. Cut the stock, did some painting, Magpul front end. I also bought a very nice blued Wingmaster with two barrels (18 and 26) for cheap back in the day.

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Check GB all you want but come into the real world. The market for used pump shotguns is soft. The older models softer yet. The new generation of shooters is in to action hero guns. They want the black stuff with all the bling. The market for hunting guns is small compared to defense type shotguns. You have no trouble around here finding M12s in good shape for $350, as well as Ithaca 37s. That is 12g & 16g, 20s bring $100 more and W12s in 28g are outrageously high.

Some are not old enough to appreciate a well made gun. The 870, Moss as well as most other pumps today have duel slide bars. This is to prevent binding because of the sloop in action. If you would said in 1960 that Moss would be #1 pump shotgun you would have been laughed at. Nobody bragged on having a Moss. I was at auction about 20yrs ago. A Win 12 in nice shooter condition brought $300. I had no use for it but kinda felt like I should have bought it. While that was running through my head the next gun up was a Moss pump, camo with screw in chokes, used. It brought $450. It has been running that way for over 20yrs. Actually same thing is going on with bolt action rifles. Pre 64 m70s are down as a whole. The standard calibers in nice shooters are down to $700-$800 range. This is not for real collector grade guns. The soft market has reset a lot of guns that were selling at prices above their condition.

Old cowboys said the first one in outfit to water was the weakest. Well in gun pricing same thing applies to Blue Books and auction sights. If you are going by them you are seeing the highest prices paid as result of auctions.
The World Wide Web did affect prices and made them higher country wide.
Local it’s a different story. Everyone who hunts or has a few guns is not into guns as a hobby. I have guys call me all the time from the floor at shows.
They tell me they “found” a XX for ?$ which is top dollar most often. I tell them they didn’t find anything because it wasn’t lost. Guys that live in metro areas are more or less stuck with shows and GB.
 
As far as I know, nobody has bought the rights to the Remington® brandname nor their designs, so until somebody does, the answer is nobody. (Unless you count the vast number of clones that are still in production which are for all intents and purposes the exact same gun, minus the brandname/model number.)

Personally, I hope that whoever picks up Remington will not only produce high quality Remington 870s, but will also improve the design by taking a few cues from the Mossberg 590, which is not only has a more intuitive layout when it comes to the controls, but is also easier to repair because parts such as the extractor are screwed in rather than riveted in place. Because honestly, the Remington 870 was behind the Mossberg 590A1 in practically every way, with it's only relevant niche being that the receiver was Steel rather than Aluminum, which really only appealed to folks who still don't believe that Aluminum is durable enough to withstand the test of time.

Someone reputable needs to secure the rights to the Remington brand then redesign the 870 so that all of its controls are arranged in such a fashion in which they can be worked without breaking the shooter's grip.
I would like to see Smith & Wesson buy Remington and resume production of their firearms, as I think that they could do the brand justice.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the companies who builds custom/specialty 870s like Black Aces Tactical, Serbu Firearms, or Wilson Combat were to purchase the rights to the 870 for the sake of maintaining a profitable product line while simultaneously illuminating the competition.

On September 29, 2020 Remington was sold to 7 different companies and approved by the bankruptcy judge. A Google search will describe who got what and what each new owner will do with their portion.
 
Mossberg parts are made in Mexico and assembled in the US.

Incorrect, only Maverick 88 parts are made in Mexico, Mossberg 500 Series parts are made in New Haven Connecticut.

Why in the world would anyone in their right mind redesign the Remington 870 to be a Mossberg? If someone wants a Mossberg, great, but most people who buy the 870 want it like it is.

As previously stated in the very message you quoted but evidently didn't read all the way through prior to replying to, because the Mossberg 590 has an objectively superior control layout which allows the shooter to work both the safety and bolt release without breaking their grip. Furthermore, parts such as the extractor can be replaced by the end user because they are secured with simple screws, whereas the Remington 870 has the extractor riveted into place, so if it breaks you have no choice but to send it into the factory for repairs, which is a bigger issue than ever now that they're out of production.

Another thing that I forgot to mention before is that the Mossberg 590 comes from the factory with a drilled and tapped receiver.

Besides, I never said that the Remington 870 should be a rebranded Mossberg 590 clone, merely that it ought to be redesigned with a control layout similar to the Mossberg 590 which can be accessed by the shooter's hand without having to break their grip, and that parts ought to be screwed into place rather than riveted.
 
Check GB all you want but come into the real world. The market for used pump shotguns is soft. The older models softer yet. The new generation of shooters is in to action hero guns. They want the black stuff with all the bling. The market for hunting guns is small compared to defense type shotguns. You have no trouble around here finding M12s in good shape for $350, as well as Ithaca 37s. That is 12g & 16g, 20s bring $100 more and W12s in 28g are outrageously high.

Some are not old enough to appreciate a well made gun. The 870, Moss as well as most other pumps today have duel slide bars. This is to prevent binding because of the sloop in action. If you would said in 1960 that Moss would be #1 pump shotgun you would have been laughed at. Nobody bragged on having a Moss. I was at auction about 20yrs ago. A Win 12 in nice shooter condition brought $300. I had no use for it but kinda felt like I should have bought it. While that was running through my head the next gun up was a Moss pump, camo with screw in chokes, used. It brought $450. It has been running that way for over 20yrs. Actually same thing is going on with bolt action rifles. Pre 64 m70s are down as a whole. The standard calibers in nice shooters are down to $700-$800 range. This is not for real collector grade guns. The soft market has reset a lot of guns that were selling at prices above their condition.

Old cowboys said the first one in outfit to water was the weakest. Well in gun pricing same thing applies to Blue Books and auction sights. If you are going by them you are seeing the highest prices paid as result of auctions.
The World Wide Web did affect prices and made them higher country wide.
Local it’s a different story. Everyone who hunts or has a few guns is not into guns as a hobby. I have guys call me all the time from the floor at shows.
They tell me they “found” a XX for ?$ which is top dollar most often. I tell them they didn’t find anything because it wasn’t lost. Guys that live in metro areas are more or less stuck with shows and GB.

The market for shotguns is not soft here in Florida where I am. There are non to be found in the gun stores at any price and the shops can't get any to stock the shelves either.
 
The market for shotguns is not soft here in Florida where I am. There are non to be found in the gun stores at any price and the shops can't get any to stock the shelves either.

I wish that was so here. I’ve got several I want rid of. I’m not keeping any other than my Dads Brn A5 and a Stevens 94 that I got in 1956. In fact because of Ohio getting limited rifle deer season, there are lots of slug guns to be had. The bulk of them being Rem 870 & 1100s and a few Ithaca 87s. The import pumps don’t bring squat. A lot of them were Turk and only $125 new.
 
Rems last good pump was the 31. Rem 870 is probably the top selling pump. The Win 12 is the pump shotgun others are judged by. 870 is not in same league as the milled parts guns. Mossberg 500 series is going to end being the top seller know that Rem is gone. When Win went down the tubes in 63 it left market wide open for Rem to take.Rem had got into stamping during WW2. The 870 was never best shotgun ever built and neither will be Mossberg. But there is going to be thousands of them. The reason is they have been cheap to build. It use to be if you couldn’t swing a Winchesters price you settled for second best Remington. Mossberg never figured in major market back then.
Scope is on 870 for deer hunting with slugs.In Ohio this is common. There is no reason I should still have the 870, it wasn’t worth enough to worry about selling. At near same time I bought a new 742 Rem. I forget which one I bought first. I did get rid of the 742c Deluxe, I will say one thing for the 870. At 100yds it shot as good or better than the 742c.
You can by a high condition w12, Rem 31 or It37 for $300-$350. There is no doubt the my 870 will bring about twice that and a used Mossberg as much or more, especially if black.

Your last 2 sentences are totally off the wall. And backwards too.
 
People are just being dramatic and bitter as usual.

Yes, Pump Action Shotguns aren't as popular as they once were and have taken a backseat towards semiautomatic rifles as well as shotguns, but to say that all interest in them has faded is a gross exaggeration.
Furthermore, people seriously need to tone it down with their nostalgic "They sure don't make 'em like they used to..." sentiments that newly manufactured firearms are crudely produced, loosely/sloppily fit, and objectively inferior compared to ones of the past, because it's objectively false information which might be written off as ignorance at best, malicious misinformation at worst.

Honestly, modern CNC Machining is capable of producing parts of unrivaled precision/consistency, resulting in tight tolerances yet adequate clearance between moving parts, and metallurgy has improved as well, resulting in stronger alloys which can be made thinner and lighter than they ever could be in the past, but of course all of the folks young and old who know absolutely nothing about modern engineering, metallurgy, or manufacturing methods get all nostalgic over older firearms, and based simply on what they can see with their eyes and feel with their hands, older firearms must be superior. Why wouldn't they? Old Blued finishes are aesthetically superior to modern finishes, and older firearms feel so slick yet so tight compared to new firearms, but looks can be misleading, and what they fail to appreciate is that a modern FNC treatment is far more durable not to mention corrosion resistant compared to bluing, and that the actions on those old firearms are so slick because they've either been broken in over a course of many decades or otherwise were hand-fitted. Alas, that is were their superiority often ends, aesthetics and overall feel. In terms of actual usage for EDC or self-defense, they're equal at absolutely best, but often times they're heavier in weight, less reliable in overall function sans modifications, and may even be less accurate when compared to newer firearms for a wide variety of reasons. (Lesser sights, less ergonomic grips, worn out rifling, etc.)

Are old firearms aesthetically superior? Undeniably, clearly much more effort went into styling back in the day, which makes sense, especially back when open carry was more common and therefore a firearm was just as much a piece of fashion as a watch, a belt buckle, jewelry or even a pair of shoes.
Are older firearms cool? Heck yeah, in my honest opinion some of the coolest firearms are well over a century old, or at least a few decades old.
Are older firearms more special. Often times yes, because they have more history and history is interesting, exciting, romantic, and above all else nostalgic.
Are older firearms mechanically, metallurgically, and functionally superior? No, I'm sorry, but no. Times change, things change, and although as we age they may seem strange, foreign, or even frightening to us, they most often do change for the better, because that's how progress works. All denying it does is makes you appear stubborn at best, foolish as worst.
 
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There are lots of 870s out there in many guises. Each of mine is configured differently for it's intended use. I hope the haters cause a big price drop, then I can just buy more. :D
 

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