WHY 9MM WHEN YOU CAN OWN A GLOCK 30 GEN 4 .45

[marathonrunner]

Guys, I have been buying a whole array of pocket pistols in 9mm and basically been told with modern ammunition 9mm is almost as good as .45ACP. So for many years I been doing only 9mm

I just recently decided to look into a compact .45 and from the reviews the Gen4 Glock 30 shoots just as well as most target pistols. Many reviewers also noted that it shoot just as well as the full size Glock 21.

My point here, why carry a Shield 9mm which only holds 7 rounds, or a Glock 43 which carries even less like 6 rounds, when you can carry a pistol the same size as a Glock 19, still concealable but you got full power .45ACP and 10 rounds of it! Makes no sense to shoot 9mm when you can do 10 rounds of .45.

Yes i know ammo for .45 is a lot more, but if you reload and buy Bayou bullets it is same cost almost as 9mm. But even if I did not reload, for a self defense gun, one does not need to train with it regularly. I have many different 9mm and I shoot each one very well. Follow the basic principles of holding a gun, sight alignment, proper grip, placement of trigger, .45 recoil is not all that.

 

[Arik]

I don't reload. Still have 45 though. I carry G19 because it's slightly thinner and carries more ammo ...another 6 compared to the 30. The slightly longer grip fits my hand a little better.

The grip and the thickness are really neither here not there. I prefer one over the other but just slightly. And yes modern proven self defense ammo does greatly close the gab. It's also cheaper to practice with.

And you do need to train with it regularly. Because if you don't, under pressure you will resort to whatever you learned

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[jdlii]

I couldn't ignore your post about the Glock Mod. 30. My vehicle firearm has been a Mod. 66, 2.5 inch barrel with S&W combat grips. The prices on these has been steadily climbing and I decided that it was to valuable to serve in that capacity.

The .357 is a formidable round and I could not get comfortable with not as much power. I owned a Glock Mod. 19, first generation, years ago and decided that a compact Glock model would replace the Mod. 66.

I've been looking for about three years for the "right" one and about a month ago, on a local firearms site, a Glock Mod 30 appeared at a righteous price. It was like new, in the box with the two original mags and an extra 12 round mag.

I reload for all of the calibers that I shoot and the 1911 is a preferred platform. Although it is a Glock, it is, as you point out, a .45 acp and no one ever asks if it will "do the job".

Good shooting!

 

[Arik]

a .45 acp and no one ever asks if it will "do the job".

Good shooting!

It will do the job about as well as a 9 or 40 or....or...or

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[jdh]

Glock is never the right answer. Having said that were I to go to the darkside it would be with a 29.

 

[RJJ 1971]

Guys, I have been buying a whole array of pocket pistols in 9mm and basically been told with modern ammunition 9mm is almost as good as .45ACP. So for many years I been doing only 9mm

I just recently decided to look into a compact .45 and from the reviews the Gen4 Glock 30 shoots just as well as most target pistols. Many reviewers also noted that it shoot just as well as the full size Glock 21.

My point here, why carry a Shield 9mm which only holds 7 rounds, or a Glock 43 which carries even less like 6 rounds, when you can carry a pistol the same size as a Glock 19, still concealable but you got full power .45ACP and 10 rounds of it! Makes no sense to shoot 9mm when you can do 10 rounds of .45.

Yes i know ammo for .45 is a lot more, but if you reload and buy Bayou bullets it is same cost almost as 9mm. But even if I did not reload, for a self defense gun, one does not need to train with it regularly. I have many different 9mm and I shoot each one very well. Follow the basic principles of holding a gun, sight alignment, proper grip, placement of trigger, .45 recoil is not all that.

Sad thing is... I want my cake and it eat it too.
I own a G17 (9mm), G22 (40sw), and now I want the G30SF (45acp).
Ever since I got another 1911 (ATI) - I want another 45acp, and the G30SF will hopefully scratch that itch.

I went almost 18 years with just 9mm because... It was cheaper, more available at retailers, more manageable, and in most cases a higher capacity.
In my 40's now, I'm learning capacity isn't everything.

 

[Nobeard]

I have a hard time telling the differences between a Glock and a HI-Point the only difference is the price.

 

[marathonrunner]

.45ACP is very expensive but if one reloads not that bad. Heard nothing but great things about the Gen4 Glock 30 being a great gun for self defense and target shooting. I think the 9mm can be just as good but one must really shoot +P's for it to be effective as a .45ACP

 

[Fastbolt]

Not sure what direction you're trying to go with your reasoning, marathonrunner.

Is it the overall size of the gun you're looking to change or justify? The caliber? The capacity?

Do you want pistol larger than your Shield, meaning one the size of a G19, or a little larger, like a G30, with it's slightly longer grip front-to-back dimension?

Want something that's larger and bit heavier on the belt?

Go rent a G30SF or Gen4 G30 and see how you like it on the firing line.

You're comparing apples and oranges, to some extent. The Shield is a subcompact, slimline pistol. The G30SF/Gen4G30 may be called a "subcompact" in the Glock product lineup, but it's a larger and somewhat chunky pistol, and is more akin to a largish "compact" G19 (but a bit larger) in the real world. Do you want a larger pistol than your Shield?

The difference between 7 or 8 rounds of 9mm and 10 rounds of .45 ACP mean that much to you? Hey, it's your choice. Suit yourself.

At one time or another I carried one of 4 different issued compacts for duty guns, being a 6906 (12+1 9mm), a 4013TSW (9+1 .40), a 4513TSW (7+1 .45) and a 3913TSW (8+1 9mm). Of them all, I liked the slimness of the 3913TSW. The thicker 6906 was a nice gun, but after sitting for many hours and getting in & out of my unmarked car, it could become a bit of a pain in the side.

My thinner 9mm's and only having 7 or 8-rd mags didn't bother me in the slightest, and they were handier and more tolerable on my belt over the course of a long day/night.

That's being said by a long time .45 owner, enthusiast and shooter, too. I have a stubby subcompact CS45 (3.25"/6+1 mag) and a slightly larger 4513TSW (original, 3.75"/6+1 mags) ... and 7 other .45 pistols ranging in size from subcompact, to compact to full-size. When I carry a .45, it's often the smallest of them, meaning the ones with 6-rd mags.

On the other hand, I actually prefer to carry one of my even smaller 9's (CS9, 3913, 3913TSW or one of my G26's, of which I own a pair). The mag capacities of those run 7, 8 or 10 rounds, FWIW.

I prefer a slightly smaller (length, height and width) belt gun nowadays, and I don't have any problem choosing one of my 9's over one of my .45's (or .40's, but that's another subject, as I own 5 of those, only one of which is full-size ).

If you'd feel "better" about the .45 caliber, that's your business.

BTDT, myself, and now I carry 9's, .38's and .380's a lot more often than I carry my 9's, .40's, .45's & .357 Magnums.

I would, however, have a different philosophy when it comes to regular training or practice than what you stated in your OP.

... But even if I did not reload, for a self defense gun, one does not need to train with it regularly. I have many different 9mm and I shoot each one very well. Follow the basic principles of holding a gun, sight alignment, proper grip, placement of trigger, .45 recoil is not all that.

I've worked with a lot of cops and private citizens over the years I've been a LE firearms trainer, and more often than not, hand someone of average skill and experience a 9mm and a .45 ACP, of roughly similar sizes, and they're going to shoot the 9mm somewhat faster and with better controllability than they can the .45 ACP. That may also translate into better practical accuracy, especially under duress. Start flipping the size/weight of the guns, and things can change, of course.

Start increasing the stress and physical dynamics of the situations in which the guns are being fired, and most shooters tend to favor the recoil management and shot followup they can obtain with the 9's, even if they like the thought of the larger .45 caliber. Some shooters may disagree, just based upon what they "feel" while standing on the firing line, but it's not unusual for a shot timer and measuring their groups to refute their "beliefs".

It's your gun, and your choice. Pick whatever you like, for whatever reasons seem reasonable to you.

 

[RJJ 1971]

I have a hard time telling the differences between a Glock and a HI-Point the only difference is the price.

Uhh your statement worries me.
That's like saying all revolvers are the same (like S&W and Taurus/Rossi).

 

[garddogg56]

I'm just not a glock fanboy,just don't feel right in my handsI'll take the Shield 9

 

[marathonrunner]

Uhh your statement worries me.
That's like saying all revolvers are the same (like S&W and Taurus/Rossi).

Hi Point is definitely garbage compared to Glock or that matter any others. Only Taurus is just as bad

 

[JaPes]

My point here, why carry a Shield 9mm which only holds 7 rounds, or a Glock 43 which carries even less like 6 rounds, when you can carry a pistol the same size as a Glock 19, still concealable but you got full power .45ACP and 10 rounds of it!

Think about what you typed. You main argument is to carry more rounds. Given the advancements in propellant chemistry and projectile design, the "stopping power" debate between 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP is a moot point. Given this, why carry a Glock 30 that has less capacity than a Glock 19?

The only reason I carry the Glock 43 is for when my attire does not allow me easily conceal anything larger. My primary carry is a Glock 19 because my physical size won't allow me to carry a Glock 34.

 

[buckyjames1]

Get what you like, sounds like your in a good boat to buy whatever you like but just a few points:

1. The more you mix up calibers, size of gun, and brands...the more you have to manage. I was in the same boat a long time back. Now my SHTF guns are 17, 34, and 26. Now my pistols are all same caliber, and magazines will all fit each other. I can range time shoot with full size 17, 34 and EDC my 26. Sold my 21

2. Weight of gun vs ammo:
lets say original design of projectile only. 10 x 230gr = 2300gr = 5.2oz
10 x 124gr = 1240 = 2.8oz
*Point being, for concealed carry you get almost x2 9mm for the weight of .45

3. It really all depends on size of individuals and where he carries. Texas summer and 5'7 like myself? a really nice all metal 1911 aint going to be very comfortable but...a Glock 26 fits nicely and holds up to all that sweat just alittle better.

I love the feel of Smiths, but must admit my EDC is a Glock 26 and a Zero Tolerance 0301

 

[USMCHEROS]

As someone who's been a Glock buyer since 2015 all I can say is fantastic things about Glock. I owned about 4 Glocks at different times always traded them with neighbors. Now, I settled down with my Glock 23 4th Generation .40 caliber handgun with modifications such as Zev Technologies Fulcrum drop in trigger kit, Truglo TFO green/green night sights, Paerce insert. I always thought Glock made a great weapon a long side of my Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry || 3" .45acp.

 

[Arik]

I have a hard time telling the differences between a Glock and a HI-Point the only difference is the price.

About as close as S&W and Rohm. Both revolvers. Both shoot

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[Arik]

I'm just not a glock fanboy,just don't feel right in my handsI'll take the Shield 9

Don't need to be a fan boy. I'm no fan boy. I only have 5 Glocks. I also only have 6 HKs. And only 2 Sigs.

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[marathonrunner]

As someone who's been a Glock buyer since 2015 all I can say is fantastic things about Glock. I owned about 4 Glocks at different times always traded them with neighbors. Now, I settled down with my Glock 23 4th Generation .40 caliber handgun with modifications such as Zev Technologies Fulcrum drop in trigger kit, Truglo TFO green/green night sights, Paerce insert. I always thought Glock made a great weapon a long side of my Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry || 3" .45acp.

I have the G34, the G43, and my newly purchased G30 and I love these Glock's but for ergonomics, accuracy, comfort the Walter PPQ M2 in either 9mm or .45 is way better than any of my Glock's. My only complaint is magazines are very expensive for the Walther's and not as many accessories not to mention they are more expensive then Glocks. But I still love my Glocks

 

[Protected One]

I have a friend in Virginia who's motto is "anybody worth shooting is worth shooting with a .45!" Hence, he bought a glock 30 for edc.

Last summer he and his wife came for a visit and naturally I asked him what he brought with him. He goes into his luggage and comes out with it. I asked him why he wasn't carrying it and he lifts his shirt and says - because I carry this now...a glock 42! Why?, I asked. "Man, the weight of that 30 gets heavy over the course of the day and sometimes I decided to leave it at home. I knew that wasn't good but I needed something light enough to carry ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY. I just brought the 30 in case we went to the range."
That's point number 1.

I recommend going to the range and asking the range master to film you shooting your Shield 9mm - controlled pairs on a silhouette target, then do the same with the sub-compact .45 on a DIFFERENT target. If your groups are even close I will be amazed. Sub compact .45's are more difficult to place accurate follow-up shots with than a 9mm. And the difference in ballistics between the two is not worth the sacrifice in shot placement.
That's point number 2.

Most people don't reload either, so the cost of ammo can be a factor.

Yet, this is still America, and everyone is free to carry what they choose (unless they live in California or a few other places )

 

[marathonrunner]

Think about what you typed. You main argument is to carry more rounds. Given the advancements in propellant chemistry and projectile design, the "stopping power" debate between 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP is a moot point. Given this, why carry a Glock 30 that has less capacity than a Glock 19?

The only reason I carry the Glock 43 is for when my attire does not allow me easily conceal anything larger. My primary carry is a Glock 19 because my physical size won't allow me to carry a Glock 34.

I will argue that 9mm in standard pressure load is not as good as .45ACP but 9mm+P I will say yes probably almost as good. Even better would be the .357Sig 125gr would beat .45 all day. I also think in terms of capacity, most fights end within 3 shots so I think 10 rounds of .45 or even 9mm would be sufficient.