WHY 9MM WHEN YOU CAN OWN A GLOCK 30 GEN 4 .45
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I swore I would never have a Glock. Then I got one (was carrying a Commander in 38 Super=too big to pocket carry and gouged me in the side, printed under t-shirts). Got a G26. Gave it to my wife and got myself a G27 (40 S & W) and, the LGS had a good deal on used G22 (also a 40). Wife wanted something slimmer, so I got her a G43. She loves it! Loves it so much, I got her a second one as a nightstand gun. When I got that for her, I saw a drop-in 357 Sig Barrel for the G22. Instantly my groups shrank to 1 1/2". Took off the thread protector and they shrunk to 1". Next came a 357 Sig barrel for my G27 (Making it a G33). Now my groups were one large hole (with a called flyer or 2 per magazine).
I still prefer Colt SAA, Ruger Blackhawks (for field carry), etc. But I carry a Glock because, as ugly as they are, they always go "bang", always hit where pointed, easy to work on, don't require tons of work (my wife's has less than $100 worth of "snap-on" parts).
Did I mention they are ugly?
Dennis The B
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I just don't have the hands to use the Glock. I have large palms and short fingers, something the Glock grip geometry doesn't consider. I've shot a number of different Glock models in all calibers, except the .45 GAP. Mechanically, they're a great pistol, ergonomically not so much..
Companies like H&K, S&W, and Ruger have all designed pistols with interchangeable back straps, and even grip panels. I've bought several S&W M&P's and they're the most comfortable I've found.
I own an M&P Compact in .40 S&W, and installed a Storm Lake conversion barrel, so I have the best of both worlds. I also own a M&P .45 with the 4" barrel, and it's a wonderful fitting pistol, far better than the Glocks.
A large "cottage" industry has arisen so folks can get their Glock grip frames altered to fit their hands. Is Glock listening? Even the FBI in their 9mm pistol specifications more or less eliminated the Gen 4 Glocks by stating that no finger grooves could be on the pistol.
Companies like H&K, S&W, and Ruger have all designed pistols with interchangeable back straps, and even grip panels. I've bought several S&W M&P's and they're the most comfortable I've found.
I own an M&P Compact in .40 S&W, and installed a Storm Lake conversion barrel, so I have the best of both worlds. I also own a M&P .45 with the 4" barrel, and it's a wonderful fitting pistol, far better than the Glocks.
A large "cottage" industry has arisen so folks can get their Glock grip frames altered to fit their hands. Is Glock listening? Even the FBI in their 9mm pistol specifications more or less eliminated the Gen 4 Glocks by stating that no finger grooves could be on the pistol.
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I'll play devil's advocate here and say that if (1) the gun goes bang every time and (2) the bullet goes where the gun is pointed... then there is actually not nearly the difference between brands that we really want there to be. Some last longer than others or have better triggers. They are different sizes and weights and handle recoil differently. But in the end, when you're at the range with a gun that doesn't jam and is acceptably accurate, there really isn't THAT much different about the shooting experience.
All that being said, I have no interest in owning a hi-point. ;-)
If you shoot a Glock for 60,000 rounds you will learn. The Hi Point will fail long before reaching that. I will not even mention the accuracy since I do not know your level of marksmanship.
Guess I shouldn't even mention my "outdoors winter carry" a..... Sig 245.......... it only holds 6+1....3.9" barrel and has a grip that will take 3 fingers..........even with 2 extra mags on the off side...... only 18+1 ( OK maybe 23 if my spare mags are 8rd 220 mags with X-grip adapters ).....
....how have I managed to survive all these years????????????
....how have I managed to survive all these years????????????
KnotRight
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I have a Glock 30 and love it! But beware if you are going to carry it you better have a good belt and holster. The weight is about the same as a 1911 but it is not spread out. The gun can become very top heavy in the wrong carry setup
While you're at it, why not a Glock 30S, instead of a Glock 30? Thinner slide, same capacity...
That said, a Glock 30 is not a compact pistol like a Shield, or other similar sized guns, so I don't get the comparison... As for carrying the 9mm vs. 45ACP, all depends on what mood I'm in. Either is very effective if placed properly. I do believe that the .45 ACP packs more punch, but of course, you get more chances with the 9.
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No offense, comparing a Glock to a High Point is just foolish. I trust that the comment was just an attempt at off handed humor...
That said, a Glock 30 is not a compact pistol like a Shield, or other similar sized guns, so I don't get the comparison... As for carrying the 9mm vs. 45ACP, all depends on what mood I'm in. Either is very effective if placed properly. I do believe that the .45 ACP packs more punch, but of course, you get more chances with the 9.
. No offense, comparing a Glock to a High Point is just foolish. I trust that the comment was just an attempt at off handed humor...
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My choice after a very long study was the G-30s, the ONLY drawback was with that 10th round. In this pic it shows my G-32 on top and my G-30s on the bottom.
garddogg56
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But glocks still don't work for me
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While you're at it, why not a Glock 30S, instead of a Glock 30? Thinner slide, same capacity...
That said, a Glock 30 is not a compact pistol like a Shield, or other similar sized guns, so I don't get the comparison... As for carrying the 9mm vs. 45ACP, all depends on what mood I'm in. Either is very effective if placed properly. I do believe that the .45 ACP packs more punch, but of course, you get more chances with the 9.
No offense, comparing a Glock to a High Point is just foolish. I trust that the comment was just an attempt at off handed humor...
I think the slim version is great but I don't mind the extra metal and weight that will help control recoil and also add more life to the gun.
I can't find a Gen4 G30 in my area so until I do its a Kimber Super Carry Ultra in 45acp and my G43 in 9mm. Love 45acp but can't carry it as easily as a single stack 9mm. Work is G43 and Kimber when I'm off. I've owned a bunch of carry pistols and I'm not convinced these will be my last. Enjoy.
JJEH
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If that's what you like good for you, carry on.
gmiller0737
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Loaded weight for 1 & Not a Glock or Striker Fired Plastic Fan I will take My 3913 over those,I do have .45 as well.
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I too had a hard time finding one even online. But Cabalas just got one in, I bought that and then when I came back 3 days later they got another one so I also bought that. Then I got notification from online store and I bought theirs as well and they are shipping to FFL dealer. So now I got 3 of them and all set for life.
Arik
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Because we all know that gov lawyers force them to set their guns to stun
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People carry different guns & calibers for different reasons. Some carry the smallest, lightest pistol possible because they can't stand the bulk of anything larger, and as been addressed, don't shoot much either. Some carry a caliber because of ego. Some carry a particular piece because they really do need to conceal the gun, and some carry a .45 because they're most accurate and confident with that caliber. Many reasons, some good, some not.
I currently carry 9mms because the recoil of 40s and 45s beat my hands and aggravate my arthritis. Having 17 round in my FS and 12 available in the mag of my compact without having to rely on not-always-reliable extenders is another reason. A Glock 19 or 30 can be concealed, but not by everyone, or when dressing for every social occasion when you really don't want anyone to know you're carrying. A Shield, G43, or a S&W 5-shot can be comfortably concealed on the body around the waist or ankle without burying the gun much easier than a 19 or 30. Regardless of magazine capacity, I am a firm believer in carrying a reload. A couple of Shield or 43 mags are easier to conceal that one 30 mag.
Depending on the load you're shooting, a micro 9mm can display some sharp recoil. The Glock 45s are some of the softest shooting 45s on the market. Yet not everyone can handle a 45, though the reasons may vary. For years, the 115 grain 9mm +p+ defied FBI protocol and compiled a street record that was roughly equal to duty/defense loads for the 45, and shadowed only by the 125 grain 357 magnum. Bullet development has progressed substantially since then, and 9mm doesn't have the stigma it acquired after the tragic FBI Miami shootout.
For any new shooter wanting a semi auto, I would recommend a G17/19 or an M&P. Learn to competently handle that platform, then make an educated decision on what works best for you.
I currently carry 9mms because the recoil of 40s and 45s beat my hands and aggravate my arthritis. Having 17 round in my FS and 12 available in the mag of my compact without having to rely on not-always-reliable extenders is another reason. A Glock 19 or 30 can be concealed, but not by everyone, or when dressing for every social occasion when you really don't want anyone to know you're carrying. A Shield, G43, or a S&W 5-shot can be comfortably concealed on the body around the waist or ankle without burying the gun much easier than a 19 or 30. Regardless of magazine capacity, I am a firm believer in carrying a reload. A couple of Shield or 43 mags are easier to conceal that one 30 mag.
Depending on the load you're shooting, a micro 9mm can display some sharp recoil. The Glock 45s are some of the softest shooting 45s on the market. Yet not everyone can handle a 45, though the reasons may vary. For years, the 115 grain 9mm +p+ defied FBI protocol and compiled a street record that was roughly equal to duty/defense loads for the 45, and shadowed only by the 125 grain 357 magnum. Bullet development has progressed substantially since then, and 9mm doesn't have the stigma it acquired after the tragic FBI Miami shootout.
For any new shooter wanting a semi auto, I would recommend a G17/19 or an M&P. Learn to competently handle that platform, then make an educated decision on what works best for you.
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just took my Gen4 G30 to range and I shot great with it. Did many sets of controlled pairs and all within a baseball size group at 21ft. At 40 feet and slow fire was getting groups about 3" but was a bit high. I think with a -connector probably can get that down a bit
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I see your point. I've never been a big fan of the shield ( although I did own one.). Mainly because it's length and height are comparable to my M&P 9c. For me the 9c shot much better and had increased firepower. Then somewhere along the line, I compared my 9c with a M&P45c. I still own a single stack 9mm ( Walther pps) but I now carry the 45c most of the time. 11 rounds of 45 goodness and only fractions larger than the 9mms.
ps. Had a G30SF for a bit but found the 45c more ergonomic. It was nice enough though.
ps. Had a G30SF for a bit but found the 45c more ergonomic. It was nice enough though.
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I'm not a Glock hater, I just don't like um... the trigger thingy really bothers me, and the angle some what.
They are good guns and people swear by them.... but if I'm going plastic, it will be M&P, no question...
now to the never ending caliber debate.. shoot what you shoot well.
I carry 380, 9 and 38. I'd carry a 45 compact but don't really see the need.
They are good guns and people swear by them.... but if I'm going plastic, it will be M&P, no question...
now to the never ending caliber debate.. shoot what you shoot well.
I carry 380, 9 and 38. I'd carry a 45 compact but don't really see the need.
BigBill
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I've had my 1911/45acp for 40 years now. I finally found a really nice pistol in 9mm Luger. It's a cz85db. The 9mm doesn't have the stopping power of the 45acp. I normally ccw a 44 magnum. I can do more stoppage with one round of the magnum. Accuracy = Practice
Rock185
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Marathon, carry what you are comfortable with, I do. That being said, I've been at many homicide scenes and attended many autopsies. Within my humble experience, handgun caliber doesn't matter as much as many believe. Believing that "They all fall to Hardball", or even the latest super duper lethal .45 JHP or whatever is not reality. Same goes for any of the other big bore cartridges. Reality is shot placement. I have been paid to carry 38 Spcl., .357, 9MM, .40 or .45 ACP 40+ hours a week. Sometimes I didn't have much choice in the matter of caliber and platform. Do I feel better with certain calibers over others? Sure. But in reality, while larger calibers may imply greater stopping power, I don't think larger caliber guarantees greater stopping power.....ymmv
Good job smoking out the Glock haters. I always find them amusing.
If you can shoot the .45 well, the carry the model 30. It's a great pistol. It's definitely intimidating. Some people just can't, or won't want to practice with it. The 9mm may not be the stopper that the .45 is, but it IS effective.
If you can shoot the .45 well, the carry the model 30. It's a great pistol. It's definitely intimidating. Some people just can't, or won't want to practice with it. The 9mm may not be the stopper that the .45 is, but it IS effective.
MCorps0311
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If a 45 ACP work's for you better than a 9 mm,go for it.The only thing that count's is the " hit " when you fire both.
whraven
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It's all about trade-offs
All the arguments about calibre amuse me. In the end, though, it's all about trade-offs. If you are carrying concealed, the most important point (as noted by Rock) is the number of shots and placement -- you want to carry the largest you can conceal and shoot for accuracy comfortably.
If you aren't restricted by size or your ability to be accurate, then you look for what each round does. 45's tend to expend more energy on or in the target, while 9mm do slightly less damage but are more piercing. Go shoot a frying pan with both from the same distance -- the 45 will make a whopping big dent, the 9mm will penetrate. 10mm is a compromise between the two.
So really, it's not a matter of what is the best ammo -- there is no such thing. What matters is what is best for your ability and purpose. As in life, it's all a trade-off.
All the arguments about calibre amuse me. In the end, though, it's all about trade-offs. If you are carrying concealed, the most important point (as noted by Rock) is the number of shots and placement -- you want to carry the largest you can conceal and shoot for accuracy comfortably.
If you aren't restricted by size or your ability to be accurate, then you look for what each round does. 45's tend to expend more energy on or in the target, while 9mm do slightly less damage but are more piercing. Go shoot a frying pan with both from the same distance -- the 45 will make a whopping big dent, the 9mm will penetrate. 10mm is a compromise between the two.
So really, it's not a matter of what is the best ammo -- there is no such thing. What matters is what is best for your ability and purpose. As in life, it's all a trade-off.
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