Why a Smith?

A few years ago there was a guy at the Club with a Colt. He was a nice enough guy but was talking up how important it is to know the materials used in a gun you might have to trust for your life. I told him I thought that made a lot of sense then asked him what guns he carried and did he know all the parts materials. Of course he had no clue. Funny that he had convinced himself how important it was to know all this stuff about his Colt that sat in the safe but not about the guns he actually carried.
 
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WOW !! Now I'm confused and we sell several hundred AR-15's per year. SCBoy, go to a store that has a good selection and find something you like. They all seem to run fine and shoot well. Good Luck!!
 
Funny that he had convinced himself how important it was to know all this stuff about his Colt that sat in the safe but not about the guns he actually carried.

Ain't that the truth... I've asked many a mil-spec monkey where the chart was on their Glock... crickets.

And why don't any of those guys carry a Beretta 92? After all, that is what the military issues! :D
 
My MP 15 OR has A VTAC free float rail, Springco extractor upgrade, Miculek comp and a couple of furniture changes. I recently added a Velocity trigger, Damage Industries enhance buffer spring and ambi selector switch. Stock barrel, BCG, upper and lower. I can't complain about accuracy either.

These two groups were with the ALG trigger I had. Ammo is Gold Metal Match 69 gr top and local 5.56mm 62 gr bottom. The Velocity trigger is much better and 3# pull.

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My son shooting

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I went through some of the same quandaries when I decided that I needed an AR-15. I knew nothing about them, had never shot one, and didn't even know what to look for.

I had just about decided on a Smith when my son-in-law asked me to help mount a sight on his AR. That got me the chance to take one apart and look at it. I used the various parts listings on the net to figure out how it worked and in doing that I decided to build my own.

I have no idea whether a Smith is better than an Armalite or a Colt or whatever, but I know that with little effort I came up with an AR that goes bang ever time, puts holes pretty close to where I intended to put'em, and - most importantly - puts them very close together if I use the sandbags at the range.

I'm an old guy, too (think 70) and I grew up with Marlins, Winchesters and Savages. I carried pistols for 36 years, and I was pretty good with taking care of them and keeping them working right so I had some very basic skills. If you lay all of the parts for an AR out in front of you and make sure that everything fits together smoothly (buy a couple of fine smoothing stones) and use some logic, an AR can easily be assembled in an hour or two. The only fiddly part is getting the gas block on right and getting the barrel tight. I got what I thought was some very good advice. I was told to buy a quality barrel from a known manufacturer. I looked at Ranier, Green Mountain, Daniel Defense, Anderson, and finally at Faxon. I know there are others out there that are better and a lot of them are more expensive. I made my choice based on the helpfulness of the customer service guys. But mostly all of them were pleasant to deal with. After the barrel, I picked the best Bolt carrier group I could afford. Then I spent a bunch of time making sure that everything fit together smoothly. I picked the carbine length for everything because It appears to me that it may well be the least finicky with cycling everything. I'm told that it also has the worst recoil kick. If it is, it isn't at all bad. You can really get hung up looking at trigger groups. I wound up using a plain old stainless steel mi--spec type from Anderson. I spent a little time with it smoothing and polishing it and it works pretty darn well. You can buy the $200 variety later on down the road and change triggers in 15 minutes. I made a couple of booboos (ya can't put a mil-spec stock on a commercial buffer tube) but I learned from them -- nothing major. I held my breath for a good long while before I pinned the A2 sight onto the barrel -- I'd advise using the set-screw kind for people like me -- but I got it right and its solid.

My rifle is pretty basic, nothing from outer space hanging off of it, but it has sent over a thousand rounds down the range and has NEVER yet had a hiccup. I spent $554. You can find "deals" all the time if you are not in a hurry.

I had a heck of a lot of fun picking parts and building the gun, and I know every little piece of it very well.

Building is a good exercise in my opinion.
 
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I would by the Colt. ARs are not my bag but like 1911s the Colt
is what others are judged by. Also in my experience Colt has
higher resale value. I have owned all the major brands and found
them all serviceable. I would like to have one of the old Vietnam
era ARs, before they became popular. Now they bolt so much
extra stuff on them, for the weight you might as well carry a
M-14 type rifle.
 
I have just gotten my second S&W15. Over the past 25 plus years I have owned many Colts and a few Bushmasters and my other Smith (TS series) and liked them all. I have been issued Colt, FN, GM and HRA military rifles and carbines and have taken Colt and FN weapons to Iraq and Afghanistan. I have looked at, inspected, finger ****ed and tinkered with a whole bunch of weapons that have been used and abused over the years. I could have gotten another Colt but did not because I trust the S&W and it offers the features I wanted at a good price and to me is as well made and better finished than anything Colt puts out other than the Custon Shop. Smith uses good quality parts, they are put together right, finished well and mine have heard up very well with no unusual wear and are accurate. What more could I want?
This fetish to have only "mil spec" materials and weapons only from sources that have a NSN is overblown. I have seen many people have issues with perfectly good weapons, so I firmly believe that human error occurs way more that part failure. There is just a % of the gun population that no matter what they are using will have problems that I would not encounter with the same weapon.
Buy a Smith or a Ruger or a Colt or whatever with confidence, get a select few parts for just in case times, learn it and use it.
 
I would by the Colt. ARs are not my bag but like 1911s the Colt
is what others are judged by. Also in my experience Colt has
higher resale value. I have owned all the major brands and found
them all serviceable. I would like to have one of the old Vietnam
era ARs, before they became popular. Now they bolt so much
extra stuff on them, for the weight you might as well carry a
M-14 type rifle.

Having used a regular M16A1 in Korea in the 80s and many upgrades thru the years up to a M4 with optics and PEQ15 laser in Iraq and Afghanistan, I assure you I would not select a plain M16 of old or a plain M14 over what we issue now. The ability to see and bring fire on your enemy day or night can not be matched with a plain stock M14.
 
If you want a Colt, Bud's has some good prices... LE6920 without any furniture for $737, and one with camo Magpul furniture for $810 with make offer option.
 
Sc the MP, what you say is true, but we are not talking combat
action here! The plain old AR and M-14 were both excellent
combat rifles. Back when I was in basic the M-16 hadn't been in
service very long. Depending on your basic location determined
which rifle you would train with. I did Knox, M-16. Being a rifle
shooter of bolt action varment guns in various 22 cals I did not
have much enthusiasm for the M-16. It proved me wrong. I was
amazed at accuracy of such a contraption.
 
I have two Colt Sporters, a rifle and a carbine. They are among the first ones made for the civilian market. They have had very few rounds through them, and have been well cleaned and taken care of. I did exchange the triangle fore end on the rifle for a round one to match the carbine. If I had lots of money I would buy a new one, but it would not be something I need.
 
My first AR15 was a smith, not a sport, had it for a few years now and it's been nothing but reliable and accurate. Since then I've built one using the New Frontier lower and DPMS upper, again, reliable and accurate (the only gun I've ever sold and I still don't exactly know why...). After that I bought a Colt LE6920, then pick up a pair of Bushmaster XM15 M4A3 patrolman rifles for my boys. I've also got a Ruger AR556.

I guess my point is, just because you are trying to figure out what brand to buy first, doesn't mean it's going to be your last. I shoot bolt action too, but these are by far my favorite. Most of my family are bolt action die hards, but when we get together shooting, they all seem to want to take turns with the AR's.

Of all those I listed above, on the Bushmaster's didn't run reliably right out of the box, after a thorough cleaning and lube, they do. I know it's best to clean them out of the box, but I can't seem to resist shooting them after a good visual inspection with some dirty steel cased ammo just to see how they work. All have ate that dirty ammo well, but the bushmasters needed a good cleaning and lube to do it well (doesn't mean I wouldn't buy a bushmaster as my first AR).
 
Let me answer your question with a question. Why not a Smith? Find a reason why you shouldn't buy one. Are they not a quality firearm? Do they not have great factory support? Are they not accurate? Are they not compatible with any and all standard AR components? Do they not all shoot 5.56 or .223 ammunition? Some folks say just build one. Why would you build a rifle with no warranty, when you can pay about the same or less for a S&W Sport and have that support?

Folks can give you a ton of reasons to buy something else, and surprisingly right here on a Smith & Wesson forum, they have. So again, why shouldn't you? If you find a reason not to in your mind, then buy something else. No harm no foul. But if you can't, buy one and be happy you got a great deal on a quality firearm that will serve you well for years.

Why wouldn't you want to shoot something like this?




Good Luck and good shooting. :D
 
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I found a nice Bushmaster that was built up with extras by a friend who knew what he was doing. He'd decided to get into 3 gun competition and wanted something different. I was able to get an improved gun for what a basic stock one would sell for.
It was lightly used and works great. I've added a leupold scope and had fun sighting it in. It's really accurate and maybe just a little more so than my two Ruger mini14s. It's definitely easier to take down and clean than the Rugers
Try to find a way to shoot different brands, you'll see if there's one you prefer
 
Thanks to all who replied. There's lots of food for thought here. I was a little surprised at the Colt suggestions considering this is a S&W forum, but that's exactly what I asked for...opinions.

I like the idea of building my own but I'm not sure I'm quite ready for that. Need to do a lot more research.

I think a proven platform and Smith's warranty service will tip the scales for my first one. We'll see how it plays out.

Once again, thanks to all the good folks who took the time to offer their thoughts. Love this forum.
 
Well OK!

I'm a 70 year old that spent a small fortune on my first AR 15 in 1989. It was the top of the line target rifle. I owned a Bush Master and I have shot almost every AR-15 out there having worked at a outdoor shooting range for a little over a year after retiring from IBM. I have friends that have almost every other brand and I know three people that have built their own AR.

5 years ago I bought the M&P 15 OR. It out shoots all of the others. I have a friend that owns his own store. He was shooting the AR that he built. He asked me why I had not built my own. I loaded 10 rounds in a mag and gave him my rifle. He shot less than a 2 inch group at 100 yards with a 3 power scope. This was much better than he could do with his rifle. I told him that was the reason.

After I got some real shooting in with my rifle I cleaned it and took it a gunsmith friend of mine. I told him that It was super accurate but it cleaned up way to easy. He ran a bore scope down the barrel. He told me that it was the third smoothest barrel he had ever scoped. He added that it was by far the best chrome lined barrel he had ever seen.

So here is my rational behind you buying a Smith M&P. they are very well made. Shoot great and are very reasonably priced. I suggested this same rifle to my Son and his is every bit as accurate and trouble free as mine.

Go for it and you will not regret it! Geo. T.
 
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