Why do 9mm revolvers need moon clips?

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I know it's something about 38/357 being rimmed and 9mm rimless. Is it because the RIM on a 9mm doesn't stick out wider than the cartidge and thus the extractor has no "shelf" or "ledge" to push?

And why is it called RIMLESS if 9mm for instance HAS a rim, but it's just not wider than the cartridge?

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Some 9mm revolvers have cylinders made so that the cartridge indexes on the shell casing, like an auto loader. Don't know exactly how they eject, but they don't need moon clips. I prefer moon clips-6 in-6 out pronto.
 
Some do some don't, all depends on the design. The ones that don't usually have some sort of spring steel fingers in the ejector star that come out to engage the extractor groove in the case. One don't use either in particular is the Ruger Blackhawk .357/9mm convertible, head spaces on the case mouth and uses the standard SA ejector rod for ejection duty with the 9mm.
 
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Federal came out with a rimmed 9x19 Luger variation long ago (called "9mm Federal", IIRC), but folk were loading them in old top break .38 S&W chambered revolvers. Lots of "kabooms"! So, sadly, they discontinued manufacture.
 
You are confusing the cartridge head, behind the extractor groove, for a rim. A rimmed cartridge has a flange that protrudes beyond the body of the cartridge (rim diameter>case diameter).

The use of a moon clip allows for positive headspacing and extraction. There are those that will tell you that you don't need clips. It has been my experience that in that instance, ignition is far from a sure thing. Depending on chamber dimensions, chamber finish and cleanliness some rounds may be held in place long enough for a hammer blow to ignite the primer. Others will be driven forward in the chamber the result being a hammer strike of insufficient force to create ignition - a light strike.

While it is true that there is a "step" machined into each chamber in the cylinder and theoretically the cartridge could headspace on the mouth of the cartridge against this step, factory brass and ammo are generally made to dimensions shorter than SAAMI maximum - which is the dimension used for the step to insure usability with all SAAMI-spec ammo. Semi-autos are able to function because in most instances they actually headspace on the extractor, not the step in the chamber.

Rimless (most semi-auto rounds) and semi-rimmed cartridges (i.e..38 Super) used in a D/A revolver, require moon clips for positive ignition and extraction.

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Pizza Bob

Edited to Add: There are exceptions to the necessity of moon clips. As stated before there have been D/A revolvers designed from the ground up to preclude the use of moon clips - the S&W 547 most notable among them. Charter Arms current series of Pit Bull revolvers also have special extractors so that clips are unecessary.
 
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Ruger Speed Six 9mm.

Second photo shows the cartridge inserted and head spacing on the case mouth. Technically they could be fired without the moon clips. Extraction would have to be done individually as the extractor would not engage the shell casing. After testing a couple cylinders, my 625 will also fire without moon clips. I have heard some will and some won't depending on chamber machining. I wouldn't bother shooting either the 9 or 45 without the moon clips.

Third photo shows the half moon clip loaded. The cartidges are still headspacing on the case mouth. Half moon clip free floats by a few thousands and aids only in extraction.

S&W M547 has a unique extractor that did not require moon clips.





 
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Why? Extraction.
You could carry around a pencil and poke the empties out, We did this with 1917 S&W and 45 acp , when we didn't know about such things. But it does slow the reload down.
 
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