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Why one cop carries 145 rounds on duty
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Wow! Reading that sure makes me question the adequacy of my EDC J-frame and one reload.
Arik
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IMPOSIBLE! After all doesn't he know that you're supposed to fall over when hit with one 45acp?
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TexasArmed
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And I thought I carried too much ammo with my 10 rounds in two revolvers and 4 speed loaders. But I am not a police officer so hopefully something like that won't happen to me.
Most likely because a stock Glock 17 magazine holds 17 rounds while a stock Glock 21 mag only holds 13, plus you can carry 33 round Glock 9mm factory mags as backup. Looks like he's made the decision, after pumping that guy full of .45 ACP and watching him carry on the fight, that greater ammo capacity is more important to him than caliber.
Good read btw.
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Rastoff
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The change to a 9mm was probably a department decision and not a personal one.
This is a freaky story. I've never heard of an assailant as determined as this one.
This is a freaky story. I've never heard of an assailant as determined as this one.
Doug M.
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If I recall correctly, it was his decision, not the department's. If one looks at all the available info from legit ammo testing (calibrated gel, etc) like that from Doctor Roberts, there is no significant difference in performance between good rounds in standard service calibers (9mm, 40, 45ACP, .357Sig). Ease of shooting (well), far lower cost of ammo for more practice, ability to carry more are all tipping the default recommendation to 9mm.
One trainer's explanation of this can be found in SWAT magazine (July 2012, as I recall): "Putting Down the Man Gun: Why I Switched from .45 to 9mm." - Pat Rogers. The people I know who have shot someone with a pistol have been satisfied with the 9mm, as long as they: put the bullets where the should be; used quality ammo that meets the standard; and kept shooting until the offender went down (shoot 'em to the ground). Not a lot of assailants are that determined, but they are out there and have to be part of one's consideration.
One trainer's explanation of this can be found in SWAT magazine (July 2012, as I recall): "Putting Down the Man Gun: Why I Switched from .45 to 9mm." - Pat Rogers. The people I know who have shot someone with a pistol have been satisfied with the 9mm, as long as they: put the bullets where the should be; used quality ammo that meets the standard; and kept shooting until the offender went down (shoot 'em to the ground). Not a lot of assailants are that determined, but they are out there and have to be part of one's consideration.
Mcheng1021
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Great read.. Thanks for posting
Maze 686
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Just a correction, the Glock 22 magazine holds 15 rounds and there is a 22 rounder available.
....Now that I read the story, he was using a Glock 21 with 13 rounders. I carry a Glock 22 when working in Camden with two extra magazines.
That gives me 46 rounds in my main gun and 11 more in my backup gun. 55 rounds total.
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We carry standard Glock 21s with the 13 round mags, we are not allowed (only the chief knows why) to carry a secondary or back up, BUT there are some guys who carry 4 + 13 round mags on their person.
I had a friend Sf & SOG....he was putting his carry weapon away it was a Glock 40.I asked why he was carring a 40 & not a 9mm.He said,I've seen what a 9 does first hand....many times.....I want to put the the biggest round I can.... accurately....at the bad guy!I like the 40! I have to bow to experience....his job was to hunt & kill the bad guys for a # of yrs...it wasn't what he read or from gel.tests it was from real life!SEALS like the 9 but Chris Kyle liked the 45. So I guess it depends on what YOU feel comfortable with!!
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I've no intention engaging in a caliber war. I learned to shoot pistol with a 1911, carried one for years. Still at the top of my "If I could only have one" list. That said, the story affirms that no handgun round is 100% effective all the time, not even a 45acp. Frank Gusenberg, one of the St. Valentine's Day massacre victims, was hit 17 times with 45acp point blank from a Thompson SMG. When the authorities got there, he was still alive, crawling toward the door. He expired later that day, but still had enough gas to hang on several hours.
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There are a lot of reasons given when such policies are encountered. All of them are clownshoes at best, and arguably dereliction or worse. There ought to be a safety grievance filed daily by every officer in the department, along with a complaint to your state workplace safety agency.
Maze 686
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I am always reminded of a guy named Alf Diamond, he gave me my first tattoo when I was stationed in Germany. He had been shot eleven times in one battle during his time in the FFL. while fighting in Vietnam.
Yep you're right of course, mistyped 22 when I meant 21 as that's what he used to carry... nothing to see here, carry on.
Silvergoose
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Bottom line, every officer deserves, the pay and the chance to retire. My hat is off to every officer,and I for one, will never count how many rounds only the rounds to stop the BAD GUY.
I talked to a Limestone county (AL) sheriff's deputy one day at the Swan Creek Range.
He had something like 145 rounds +/- on his body routinely. He said that in most parts of the county, backup is +45 minutes away. He also had an M1A and an AR-15 in the trunk.
He had something like 145 rounds +/- on his body routinely. He said that in most parts of the county, backup is +45 minutes away. He also had an M1A and an AR-15 in the trunk.
Protected One
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Is the Chief an appointee? If so, you have your answer!
He USED to let us, but he did a sudden 180* on us and Yes, he IS appointed.
Protected One
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145 rounds sounds like he over adjusted, IMO.
David Sinko
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Convenient how they don't mention what ammo he was using. It was most assuredly one of the latest hollowpoint "blow up" bullets that don't penetrate. This is what happens when lawyers choose your duty ammo.
Dave Sinko
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A training video I watched had a male shot 4x point blank with a .357 fight for two officers guns, one of which was wounded and out of action. The other office kept shooting him to no avail and elected to fire both service weapons into the floor to empty them so that the suspect wouldnt have access to loaded weapons. Suspect had trace amounts of cocaine in his system.
I've been in LE for 15 years now and I have learned that ammunition capacity with a reasonable caliber far outweighs the so called 'knock down' or one shot myth. Im a big heavy slow bullet lover too but I can't carry enough of those.
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