Yep you're right of course, mistyped 22 when I meant 21 as that's what he used to carry... nothing to see here, carry on.
Why one cop carries 145 rounds on duty
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Yep you're right of course, mistyped 22 when I meant 21 as that's what he used to carry... nothing to see here, carry on.
Silvergoose
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Bottom line, every officer deserves, the pay and the chance to retire. My hat is off to every officer,and I for one, will never count how many rounds only the rounds to stop the BAD GUY.
I talked to a Limestone county (AL) sheriff's deputy one day at the Swan Creek Range.
He had something like 145 rounds +/- on his body routinely. He said that in most parts of the county, backup is +45 minutes away. He also had an M1A and an AR-15 in the trunk.
He had something like 145 rounds +/- on his body routinely. He said that in most parts of the county, backup is +45 minutes away. He also had an M1A and an AR-15 in the trunk.
Protected One
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Is the Chief an appointee? If so, you have your answer!
He USED to let us, but he did a sudden 180* on us and Yes, he IS appointed.
Protected One
Member
145 rounds sounds like he over adjusted, IMO.
David Sinko
Member
Convenient how they don't mention what ammo he was using. It was most assuredly one of the latest hollowpoint "blow up" bullets that don't penetrate. This is what happens when lawyers choose your duty ammo.
Dave Sinko
Dave Sinko
A training video I watched had a male shot 4x point blank with a .357 fight for two officers guns, one of which was wounded and out of action. The other office kept shooting him to no avail and elected to fire both service weapons into the floor to empty them so that the suspect wouldnt have access to loaded weapons. Suspect had trace amounts of cocaine in his system.
I've been in LE for 15 years now and I have learned that ammunition capacity with a reasonable caliber far outweighs the so called 'knock down' or one shot myth. Im a big heavy slow bullet lover too but I can't carry enough of those.
I agree. More ammunition to get yourself to the gauge or AR.
I've seen a x-ray of an armed robbery suspect that took either 25 or 28 (been too long to remember which it was) 115gr 9mm JHP's to the COM, via a MP5, before he was finally stopped by a 12 ga slug to his spine.
I also remember reading about an armed suspect that took 26 (I think it was) .45 rounds COM before he was stopped.
I remember reading of an armed suspect who killed a cop after he took a close range .308 through his COM.
I've never felt 'comfortable' carrying any handgun caliber compared to being able to deploy the shotgun, and even the use of shotguns (and rifles) have resulted in some reported failures-to-stop. People can be tough and resilient. (Look at how far some hunters have to track wounded game animals even when hit by powerful rifle calibers.)
Personally, I'd not carry multiple extended cap mags secreted about my person while working some uniform position. Just wearing a normal gun belt (before it became an 'equipment' belt) and a vest was hard enough on shoulders and backs over time.
I would, however, make sure that my racked shotgun & rifle were in good working condition and able to be quickly and cleanly released in the normal manner from a patrol car's racks.
I've carried 9's, .40's & .45's on & off-duty ... and I have no problem carrying any of them. They're still just handguns, though. I'm not exactly a caliber-snob anymore.
I also remember reading about an armed suspect that took 26 (I think it was) .45 rounds COM before he was stopped.
I remember reading of an armed suspect who killed a cop after he took a close range .308 through his COM.
I've never felt 'comfortable' carrying any handgun caliber compared to being able to deploy the shotgun, and even the use of shotguns (and rifles) have resulted in some reported failures-to-stop. People can be tough and resilient. (Look at how far some hunters have to track wounded game animals even when hit by powerful rifle calibers.)
Personally, I'd not carry multiple extended cap mags secreted about my person while working some uniform position. Just wearing a normal gun belt (before it became an 'equipment' belt) and a vest was hard enough on shoulders and backs over time.
I would, however, make sure that my racked shotgun & rifle were in good working condition and able to be quickly and cleanly released in the normal manner from a patrol car's racks.
I've carried 9's, .40's & .45's on & off-duty ... and I have no problem carrying any of them. They're still just handguns, though. I'm not exactly a caliber-snob anymore.
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waynesigmeister
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When I first started working in law enforcement (1974), I carried a S&W model 19 .357 mag with six RP 125 grain JHP rounds in the gun and 12 rounds in my 2 speed loaders. I then added a third speed, so I carried 18 rounds on my belt and six in the gun.
Half way through my career, we switched to a Beretta 92FS with three 15 round magazines, 115 grain Federal JHP rounds. I always preferred using a shotgun when action was hot because rifles were not allowed then. I have worked in small, rural towns and suburbs next to Los Angeles, but never worried about bullet. I did carry a S&W J for back up and extra 100 rounds in my brief case and 25 shotgun shells in my briefcase. I am now retired but work high risk security, so I carry a Glock 23 with three 13 round magazines and a S&W Bodyguard .380 as backup.
Half way through my career, we switched to a Beretta 92FS with three 15 round magazines, 115 grain Federal JHP rounds. I always preferred using a shotgun when action was hot because rifles were not allowed then. I have worked in small, rural towns and suburbs next to Los Angeles, but never worried about bullet. I did carry a S&W J for back up and extra 100 rounds in my brief case and 25 shotgun shells in my briefcase. I am now retired but work high risk security, so I carry a Glock 23 with three 13 round magazines and a S&W Bodyguard .380 as backup.
Protected One
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My exact edc...except only 2 mags for the Glock 23. Critical Defense in both guns.
elm_creek_smith
US Veteran
I carry a S&W Model 686-6 and 4 speedloaders loaded with Federal .357 Magnum 158 grain HydraShoks. I also carry a S&W Model 37 and a speedstrip loaded with Buffalo Bore 158 grain Standard Pressure .38 Special LSWCHP-GC. (I'm the only revolver shooter left in my office.) I also have a Rem 870 w/sidesaddle loaded with Federal "Tactical" slugs. Thinking I should load my other pockets with more ammo?
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shouldazagged
Absent Comrade
Those of you who aren't LEO's must lead far more exciting lives than I do.
But I guess most people do...
But I guess most people do...
elm_creek_smith
US Veteran
Oh, God! I hope not! Excitement is seconds/minutes of terror that I can do without.
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vito
US Veteran
Strange things can and do happen. Each person has to decide how far they want to go to be prepared for more and more unlikely situations. There are times that wearing a helmet would have saved the life of a driver, but who but racing drivers routinely wear helmets while driving a car? I've read that only a very small percentage of police officers ever use their gun even once in an entire career of law enforcement. Of those, how many needed more rounds than routinely carried? For those of us who are not LEO's, the likelihood of using our gun, of needing more than 2 or 3 rounds to escape or end the threat is probably very, very low. Maybe I will regret it someday, but most of the time I carry a 5 round j-frame with 38+p ammo, period, and feel very comfortable. Sometimes I carry a 40S&W with 10 rounds, and feel no more or less comfortable than when carrying the j-frame.
In my career thus far, I have pulled my gun countless times but only had my finger squeezing the trigger twice (glock 22). Fortunately I didn't have to end a life (human). Now, fwiw I have used weapons on countless deer with interesting results while putting them down. No caliber has failed me with head shots. 38 special being minimum. I have used the 38 +p in the Taurus 85 for head shots and heart/lung shots on deer with only one round being needed. Granted, I believe shot placement to be of more value than caliber.
Maze 686
US Veteran
You can't compare an officer running towards the sound of gunfire to a armed person running from gunfire. Big difference when you have sworn an oath to stay and fight it out instead of save yourself.
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