I agree. More ammunition to get yourself to the gauge or AR.
Why one cop carries 145 rounds on duty
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I agree. More ammunition to get yourself to the gauge or AR.
I've seen a x-ray of an armed robbery suspect that took either 25 or 28 (been too long to remember which it was) 115gr 9mm JHP's to the COM, via a MP5, before he was finally stopped by a 12 ga slug to his spine.
I also remember reading about an armed suspect that took 26 (I think it was) .45 rounds COM before he was stopped.
I remember reading of an armed suspect who killed a cop after he took a close range .308 through his COM.
I've never felt 'comfortable' carrying any handgun caliber compared to being able to deploy the shotgun, and even the use of shotguns (and rifles) have resulted in some reported failures-to-stop. People can be tough and resilient. (Look at how far some hunters have to track wounded game animals even when hit by powerful rifle calibers.)
Personally, I'd not carry multiple extended cap mags secreted about my person while working some uniform position. Just wearing a normal gun belt (before it became an 'equipment' belt) and a vest was hard enough on shoulders and backs over time.
I would, however, make sure that my racked shotgun & rifle were in good working condition and able to be quickly and cleanly released in the normal manner from a patrol car's racks.
I've carried 9's, .40's & .45's on & off-duty ... and I have no problem carrying any of them. They're still just handguns, though. I'm not exactly a caliber-snob anymore.
I also remember reading about an armed suspect that took 26 (I think it was) .45 rounds COM before he was stopped.
I remember reading of an armed suspect who killed a cop after he took a close range .308 through his COM.
I've never felt 'comfortable' carrying any handgun caliber compared to being able to deploy the shotgun, and even the use of shotguns (and rifles) have resulted in some reported failures-to-stop. People can be tough and resilient. (Look at how far some hunters have to track wounded game animals even when hit by powerful rifle calibers.)
Personally, I'd not carry multiple extended cap mags secreted about my person while working some uniform position. Just wearing a normal gun belt (before it became an 'equipment' belt) and a vest was hard enough on shoulders and backs over time.
I would, however, make sure that my racked shotgun & rifle were in good working condition and able to be quickly and cleanly released in the normal manner from a patrol car's racks.
I've carried 9's, .40's & .45's on & off-duty ... and I have no problem carrying any of them. They're still just handguns, though. I'm not exactly a caliber-snob anymore.
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waynesigmeister
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When I first started working in law enforcement (1974), I carried a S&W model 19 .357 mag with six RP 125 grain JHP rounds in the gun and 12 rounds in my 2 speed loaders. I then added a third speed, so I carried 18 rounds on my belt and six in the gun.
Half way through my career, we switched to a Beretta 92FS with three 15 round magazines, 115 grain Federal JHP rounds. I always preferred using a shotgun when action was hot because rifles were not allowed then. I have worked in small, rural towns and suburbs next to Los Angeles, but never worried about bullet. I did carry a S&W J for back up and extra 100 rounds in my brief case and 25 shotgun shells in my briefcase. I am now retired but work high risk security, so I carry a Glock 23 with three 13 round magazines and a S&W Bodyguard .380 as backup.
Half way through my career, we switched to a Beretta 92FS with three 15 round magazines, 115 grain Federal JHP rounds. I always preferred using a shotgun when action was hot because rifles were not allowed then. I have worked in small, rural towns and suburbs next to Los Angeles, but never worried about bullet. I did carry a S&W J for back up and extra 100 rounds in my brief case and 25 shotgun shells in my briefcase. I am now retired but work high risk security, so I carry a Glock 23 with three 13 round magazines and a S&W Bodyguard .380 as backup.
Protected One
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My exact edc...except only 2 mags for the Glock 23. Critical Defense in both guns.
elm_creek_smith
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I carry a S&W Model 686-6 and 4 speedloaders loaded with Federal .357 Magnum 158 grain HydraShoks. I also carry a S&W Model 37 and a speedstrip loaded with Buffalo Bore 158 grain Standard Pressure .38 Special LSWCHP-GC. (I'm the only revolver shooter left in my office.) I also have a Rem 870 w/sidesaddle loaded with Federal "Tactical" slugs. Thinking I should load my other pockets with more ammo?
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shouldazagged
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Those of you who aren't LEO's must lead far more exciting lives than I do.
But I guess most people do...
But I guess most people do...
elm_creek_smith
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Oh, God! I hope not! Excitement is seconds/minutes of terror that I can do without.
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vito
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Strange things can and do happen. Each person has to decide how far they want to go to be prepared for more and more unlikely situations. There are times that wearing a helmet would have saved the life of a driver, but who but racing drivers routinely wear helmets while driving a car? I've read that only a very small percentage of police officers ever use their gun even once in an entire career of law enforcement. Of those, how many needed more rounds than routinely carried? For those of us who are not LEO's, the likelihood of using our gun, of needing more than 2 or 3 rounds to escape or end the threat is probably very, very low. Maybe I will regret it someday, but most of the time I carry a 5 round j-frame with 38+p ammo, period, and feel very comfortable. Sometimes I carry a 40S&W with 10 rounds, and feel no more or less comfortable than when carrying the j-frame.
In my career thus far, I have pulled my gun countless times but only had my finger squeezing the trigger twice (glock 22). Fortunately I didn't have to end a life (human). Now, fwiw I have used weapons on countless deer with interesting results while putting them down. No caliber has failed me with head shots. 38 special being minimum. I have used the 38 +p in the Taurus 85 for head shots and heart/lung shots on deer with only one round being needed. Granted, I believe shot placement to be of more value than caliber.
Maze 686
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You can't compare an officer running towards the sound of gunfire to a armed person running from gunfire. Big difference when you have sworn an oath to stay and fight it out instead of save yourself.
The comment made by the ER physician in the link: "Why did the officer have to shoot him so many times?" brought back a memory of the hospital details I used to work. We informally did not speak to the hospital staff except when necessary. The staff would customarily be upset that our prisoner was always shackled to the bed since they were outside a correctional facility. Among our prisoners were violent felons, including some who had tried to kill cops. Extreme caution was utmost; the prisoners would attempt escape or harm.
One long evening, I spoke to a state Corrections Officer whose prisoner was secured behind two locked doors. When a female staff member made a snide comment about the security precautions, he told her that the prisoner was a convicted multiple rapist. She thereupon stopped her comments and said the officer was acting correctly...
Kaaskop49
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One long evening, I spoke to a state Corrections Officer whose prisoner was secured behind two locked doors. When a female staff member made a snide comment about the security precautions, he told her that the prisoner was a convicted multiple rapist. She thereupon stopped her comments and said the officer was acting correctly...
Kaaskop49
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I've dealt with the bleeding heart types at hospitals. More than one would think but times change. Our safety is parmount brother.
They were 230 gr. Speer Gold Dots from what I read in another article about it. Can't get any better ammo than that.
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, they weren't supposed of have hung around there!
Probably because he recalled some mutt back-in-the-day using a 'throw-down', or so such act in a movie or TV-show. Didn't want to think about it long enough to realize you log and register the Officer's BUG/s just like you do their belt-guns.
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