Why the SD is better value than a glock

[Chuck Jones]

I hear you, but I don't like my hand that close to muzzle and very rarely press check anyway.

I've also never run optics and if I did I'd probably stick something on the rear of the slide.

/c

 

[J Rich]

Well cbr I for one will agree with you. I have yet to spend my hard earned money on the glock name. Out of all the glocks I have shot I still don't see what the hype is about yea it's got a nice trigger pull, so what.

As for all the movies the glock has been in. When did glock start putting hammers on them? You know when they put the glock to the guys head they always cock the hammer before blowing the guys head off.


A friend of mine went to the gun show the other day. He picked up a gen1 g17 I think he said for $350 it was marked for $499. It had an engraving on the slide from the Sheriff's dept that had it first. Looked has though proper cleaning wasn't a priority and had no less than 153,386 rounds through it with the scorched barrel and internals. Although he did get the case and an extra mag also got the glock name all for more than the price of a new SDVE. Guess he got a deal it is a glock ya know.


Trying to convince a glock owner that there are better guns out there for the money is like trying to tell a Harley owner there are better bikes with more options for less money out there. It just don't work! If it's not a glock or a Harley or a Chevy it must be junk, right?

 

[J Rich]

One more thing. Because the glock doesn't have good serrations on the slide some genius had to make nifty little "charging handles" for them. Can't seem to find these for any other pistol wonder why?

 

[cbr6864]

At least someone thinks along the same lines as I do in that there is no need to spend more than you have to on a firearm. S&W got it right with the SD......they fixed the one thing that everyone hated about the Sigma and also added some features all while maintaining a great low price.

 

[jppezz23]

I am a retired police officer who carried glocks.I now own 2 SD's and like both better then any glock.

 

[Wee Hooker]

Price
Enough said Glock has the highest profit margin around

Grip
Natural feeling grip Glock feels like you are holding a plastic 2X4

Slide Serrations
Glock is very slick and lacks front serrations

Sights
Real metal sights the front being night....glock has cheap plastic sights

Rail system
The glock has been know to shear rear rails with the SD the rear rails are part of the removable sear assembly making repair easy.

Factory extended slide stop
The Glock has a smaller one that most end up replacing

Index point on frame for trigger finger
Nice spot to place trigger finger on the SD glock none

Striker
Is not pre-cocked to the degree that the glock is making it more of a true DA

... and this is on the S&W forum, for what purpose?
You appear to be trolling on the wrong forum.

 

[cbr6864]

... and this is on the S&W forum, for what purpose?
You appear to be trolling on the wrong forum.

and your point is? I dont think you understand the meaning of the word trolling, posting info on a S&W forum about a S&W product is not trolling. Now if I were to post this on a Glock forum then yes it would be. This post will help people interested in the SD to see the added features offered that Glock does not.

 

[J Rich]

I think what he is saying is that you need to go to the glock forum. Then plead the same case to them as they do to us.

Seems to me you were just stating your opinion of the S&W SD on the S&W Forum.

 

[cbr6864]

Isnt that what a S&W forum is for? I wouldnt go to an AR forum to discuss an AK

 

[Genetically Swiss]

Price
Enough said Glock has the highest profit margin around

Grip
Natural feeling grip Glock feels like you are holding a plastic 2X4

Not to me, the G17 actually fits me quite well

Slide Serrations
Glock is very slick and lacks front serrations

Never needed them. The tear up my leather holsters anyway.

Sights
Real metal sights the front being night....glock has cheap plastic sights

True, and they work too.

Rail system
The glock has been know to shear rear rails with the SD the rear rails are part of the removable sear assembly making repair easy.

I've shot many thousands of rounds through a variety of Glocks under varying circumstances and conditions and never experienced this phenomenon.

Factory extended slide stop
The Glock has a smaller one that most end up replacing

True, but Glock does not recommend its use anyway.

Index point on frame for trigger finger
Nice spot to place trigger finger on the SD glock none

Repetition (muscle memory) cures this if this is an issue for you.

Striker
Is not pre-cocked to the degree that the glock is making it more of a true DA

Umm, OK.

I will add, with all due respect to everyones opinions and S&W products, I prefer Glocks to the M&P's for a variety of reasons. Not least of which is out of the many thousands of rounds I have fired in Glocks, I have never had a malfunction of any kind. Ever. I will concede that Glocks will never win a beauty contest, but as a functional tool, they darned hard to beat.

GS

 

[cbr6864]

Umm, OK.

I will add, with all due respect to everyones opinions and S&W products, I prefer Glocks to the M&P's for a variety of reasons. Not least of which is out of the many thousands of rounds I have fired in Glocks, I have never had a malfunction of any kind. Ever. I will concede that Glocks will never win a beauty contest, but as a functional tool, they darned hard to beat.

GS

Missing the point it doesnt matter if you use aggressive slide serrations or front serrations, real metal sights, extended slide release, finger index point as these are all added features of the SD that the Glock lacks for a much lower price than the Glock which gives you more value. The SD offers more features and functions just as well all while being priced much lower.

Doesnt matter if your individual glock has not seen the rear rails broken off as there have been many documented cases enough so that the FBI changed out all of their glocks.

 

[Arik]

The whole Gen thing are mostly minor changes that were industry wide. They went from straight grips to ones with finger groves. From regular frame to one with a rail. This is just the evolution of firearms in general just like we went from musket to black powder cartridge to regular powder. From single shots to multi. Perfection doesnt mean they invented something that cant be updated.

As far as KABOOMS go. Google any gun and Kaboom. See what you get! Plenty of people do plenty of stupid things. And if you follow KABOOM trends, let the pic or story stay online long enough and it will eventually evolve into "a friend of a friend of a neighbor used Chinese ammo and had a kaboom!" Even if China never exported or made that type of ammo. Internet gun kabooms are retarded.

If you take the SD and the Glock apart they might be visually same but material wise they are not. Its not like S&W gets their raw materials any cheaper then Glock. But the quality of the material does make a difference. There is why you have a price difference. Lower quality or cheaper material will make a cheaper final product. Why would then the M&P be more expansive then the SD? Might as well buy a Taurus polymer gun. They are cheaper and about 50/50 on reliability. Or a Keltec.

Just because S&W has made guns for a 160 years doesnt mean they are all good. Their revolvers are excellent but they only got the polymer striker fired guns right with their M&P and even then the early ones wernt that good. Sometimes a new company comes along and makes the same thing differently and its actually better. I probably would be reluctant to buy a Glock revolver over a Smith. At least at first.

 

[cbr6864]

Just because S&W has made guns for a 160 years doesnt mean they are all good.

How many factory recalls have there been on Sigmas and SDs put together vs Gock? They must be doing something right.



Press release:
SMYRNA, GA – September 7, 2011 – GLOCK Inc. announces that it is voluntarily exchanging the recoil spring assembly (RSA) on its new Gen4 pistols shipped since August, 2009,




GLOCK
MODEL 19,
9MM LUGER CALIBER, PISTOL

WARNING: This make and model pistol may have the potential for an UNINTENTIONAL DISCHARGE of a cartridge with the action open.

The Glock, model 19 pistol slide has a bottom protrusion, whose function is to push cartridges from the top of the magazine into the chamber . When the pistol is jammed in a double feed situation, the slide protrusion can come in contact with the primer of the jammed cartridge and cause UNINTENTIONAL DISCHARGE while the action is open.

Glock, Inc.
6000 Highlands Parkway
Smyrna, GA 30082
(770) 432-1202

Source:

AFTE Journal, July 1993; Volume 25, Number 3:206-208




GLOCK
MODEL 19,
9MM LUGER CALIBER, PISTOL

WITH SERIAL NUMBER PREFIXS AN,BP,BR, BV, BW, BX, DL, DM, DN, DP, DR, DS, DT, DV, DW, DX, DY, & DZ.

WARNING: These pistol may have the potential of the action to malfunction as followings:

The slide locking back on a full magazine.
Failure to lock into battery because the barrel lug drags on the slide lock.
The magazine follower tips or sticks in the magazine tube.
Glock, Inc.
6000 Highlands Parkway
Smyrna, GA 30082
(770) 432-1202

Source:

AFTE Journal, April 1990; Volume 22, Number 2:227




GLOCK
SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOLS MANUFACTURED BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 2001 AND MAY 2002 WITH SERIAL NUMBERS STARTING WITH "E", "GSSF" OR "USA" REGARDLESS OF CALIBER

WARNING: Glock pistols manufactured between September 2001 and May 2002 with serial numbers starting with "E", "GSSF" or "USA" regardless of caliber have experienced FRAME RAIL FAILURES.

The specific issue is the potential of breaking a rear frame rail. Glock notes that under most conditions the pistol will continue to function with three rails.

Glock, Inc. does not officially call this a recall, but an upgrade at no charge. The complete firearm should be returned to Glock for a replacement frames that will have the original serial number with a "1" prefix added to it.

If you believe you have a pistol affected by this notice contact Glock at (866) 225-4098.


Source:
www.glocktalk.com February 17, 2002
www.GSSFonline.com

Added 5/25/03




GLOCK
MODEL 26
9MM CALIBER, SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL,
SERIAL NUMBER PREFIX DGU, DHR & DKU

MODEL 27
40 S&W CALIBER SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL
SERIAL NUMBER PREFIX DGD, DGV, DHS, DHT, DKV, DKW, & DKX

Recall: Mr. Don Bulver, warrant department, of Glock, Inc. indicated the recoil springs produced before September 1999 may shear off on some of these pistols due to over hardness of the support tube.

Replacement springs will be distinguished by a vertical mark from the center on the front polymer portion of outer ring of the guide rod assembly which will appear to be a mold line.

Glock
6000 Highlands Parkway
Smyrna, GA 30082
(770) 432-1202

Source:

Company Notice, February 21, 2000

 

[Genetically Swiss]

Missing the point it doesnt matter if you use aggressive slide serrations or front serrations, real metal sights, extended slide release, finger index point as these are all added features of the SD that the Glock lacks for a much lower price than the Glock which gives you more value. The SD offers more features and functions just as well all while being priced much lower.

Doesnt matter if your individual glock has not seen the rear rails broken off as there have been many documented cases enough so that the FBI changed out all of their glocks.

On the contrary, I got your point. It doesn't matter to me about price. The added features you cite may be somehow beneficial to you but the "more value" you assign to them does not translate to me. The tool I have has worked, and continues to work flawlessly. But hey, knock yourself out buying M&P's.

GS

 

[bharner]

I'm neither a Glock nor a Sigma fellow. I like my M&Pc.
That being said my father carried Glocks for the last 12 or so years of his LE career. I've shot plenty of Glocks and can pick up a buddies at the range and shoot just as well with it as my M&P.
I haven't had a chance to shoot a Sigma but I avoided one for personal use because well, at that price you never know what you're getting into. I have recommended them to friends on tight budgets who were looking at either a Hi Point or lower end Taurus. I figured the Sigma had to be marginally better plus better service from Smith.

Tapatalk ate my spelling and grammar.

 

[KyWstJoe]

Well cbr I for one will agree with you. I have yet to spend my hard earned money on the glock name. Out of all the glocks I have shot I still don't see what the hype is about yea it's got a nice trigger pull, so what.

As for all the movies the glock has been in. When did glock start putting hammers on them? You know when they put the glock to the guys head they always cock the hammer before blowing the guys head off.


A friend of mine went to the gun show the other day. He picked up a gen1 g17 I think he said for $350 it was marked for $499. It had an engraving on the slide from the Sheriff's dept that had it first. Looked has though proper cleaning wasn't a priority and had no less than 153,386 rounds through it with the scorched barrel and internals. Although he did get the case and an extra mag also got the glock name all for more than the price of a new SDVE. Guess he got a deal it is a glock ya know.


Trying to convince a glock owner that there are better guns out there for the money is like trying to tell a Harley owner there are better bikes with more options for less money out there. It just don't work! If it's not a glock or a Harley or a Chevy it must be junk, right?

I have had 2 Sigma's and 2 Glocks. Both Glocks were better than both Sigmas. Not to say the Sigma's are bad at all, great self defense guns as are the Glocks. It really comes down to the Glock trigger compared to the Sigma trigger. Not that it is bad but you have to admit almost everybody is tweeking springs etc to get it better. Glock out the box is very good. Try to lighten up a bit, you kinda sound a little like the Sigma bashers on Glock Talk! As a side note, my last bike was a Honda 1100 shadow, nice bike but it wasn't no Harley for sure. I'm a GM guy, drive an 02 ZO6 since 05 and a 99 C-5 before that but Mustangs still rock. Differant strokes for all us folks. Let's not forget, we're all on the same side Rich!

 

[J Rich]

I have had 2 Sigma's and 2 Glocks. Both Glocks were better than both Sigmas. Not to say the Sigma's are bad at all, great self defense guns as are the Glocks. It really comes down to the Glock trigger compared to the Sigma trigger. Not that it is bad but you have to admit almost everybody is tweeking springs etc to get it better. Glock out the box is very good. Try to lighten up a bit, you kinda sound a little like the Sigma bashers on Glock Talk! As a side note, my last bike was a Honda 1100 shadow, nice bike but it wasn't no Harley for sure. I'm a GM guy, drive an 02 ZO6 since 05 and a 99 C-5 before that but Mustangs still rock. Differant strokes for all us folks. Let's not forget, we're all on the same side Rich!

I'm with ya Joe. I've never claim the sigma to be the end all be all, or that glocks have crappy triggers. I will agree the glock has a nice trigger pull, but that's about it.

IMO the glock just isn't worth the money. Like cbr said we aren't comparing the sigma here.


On another note
Joe I'm a Ford guy so maybe you can tell me why the newer C-6s have a key? The only thing the key is good for is locking the glove box, but it's cut back way farther than it needs to be for the glove box. The doors, trunk, and ignition are all push button.

 

[getoff]

all you need to know about the sd9v is that the US gov't is supplying the afgan police with them. glocks are too good to give 'em! hope they don't need to use them much. it will however make it easier to invade them...

 

[J Rich]

Well there you medley mouthing with your mis-information. The government supplied them with 22,000 Sigma sw9ve. Unlike you I know it's no easier to invade them just because they don't carry glocks. The sigma goes bang just as the glock does.


If you don't believe me. Maybe you should go over there and find out for yourself.

 

[Whaler64]

Glock has a long and enviable track record in regards to reliability. I have carried a Glock duty weapon in differing models (21, 22, 23, 26)and calibers for 15 years and have thousands of rounds downrange with them. I have NEVER...That's NEVER, had a malfunction atrributable to the firearm itself. On two occasions, years ago, with a .45 Model 21, I hade a FTF. After clearing and completeing the course of fire, the rounds were recovered, drop tested, and found to be "bulged", meaning they wouldn't fit in the chamber.

I can, and do rely on Glock for my life and my deputies lives, everyday. There is no firearm that I "wish" to switch too for greater reliability, ease of use, and maintenance. It is the law enforcement equivalent of the S&W revolver of the 60's and 70's.