469Shooter
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I love my new Sigma and my 469 (which btw is 27 years old now), but if I could afford it I'd buy an H&K P2000 or a Stoeger Cougar in a heartbeat. Just some non-Glock thoughts.
Why would anyone buy a Sigma instead of a Glock?
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Knightrider03m
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For me, the M&P is a better gun then the Sigma. My M&P fits better in my hand plus I can shoot it better. However my Sigma is my favorite over my M&Pc because I can not look pass the fact that it is cheap but yet it works REALLY good! If you have the money then go with the M&P but if you don't, then get the Sigma....
On another note, like I've been saying over and over and over again, Smith and Wesson need to make a compact version of the Sigma at the same price of the full size Sigma.
RightWinger
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I have owned a Sigma before and I have owned several Glocks, and HK polymer pistols as well. I really don't have anything bad to say about the sigma as far as function goes, however the trigger was the most disgusting thing I have ever felt, I measured it on a trigger scale and it was close to 22 lbs before it fired, to me that is a horrible design. I realize you can lighten the trigger on just about any gun but should a trigger really be that heavy straight out of the box??? The HK gun worked good, but the things I didn't like about it were the price, and the complexity. I can strip a Glock or a Sigma down to the frame and re assemble it w/o any problems, to do this with an HK you need a PHD. Currently the only polymer guns I own are Glocks......To me they just feel better, and have a better trigger. Do I think Glock is bette than Sigma? Well, the trigger sure is, but other than that there may not be a huge difference. I think the only thing keeping the M&P from stealing the majority of Glock sales is that Glock has that proven track record, and has about 80% of law enforcement using it. If I recall correctly the original test G17 is still being tested and is near 1000000 rounds if I'm not mistaken. It might take the M&P several years to gain this popularity regardless of how reliable of a gun S&W built.
Srigs
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Better hand ergonomics (feels right and points well) and less expensive.
Walthernut
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1. thru 5. are the reasons to buy a Sigma + a lifetime warranty.
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Pasifikawv
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I wanted a Glock but bought a Sigma instead because of the price. After about 8 months, too many FTF's, trigger job, and a replacement barrel, I got rid fo the Sigma and bought a Glock. Haven't looked back since. The Glock trigger is much better and the Glock is more reliable and much more accurate.
All that said, the Sigma was a nice piece for the price. After having it worked on, it did okay. The FTF's still occured, but no more than other cheap guns in the same price range. The accuracy was in line with other sidearms in the price range. But it just wasn't consistent, accurate, and reliable enough to make me fully comfortable.
For a couple hundred $ more, the Glock's proven reliability, greater accuracy, and (so far) flawless function provides me peace of mind I want for staking my life on my sidearm.
All that said, the Sigma was a nice piece for the price. After having it worked on, it did okay. The FTF's still occured, but no more than other cheap guns in the same price range. The accuracy was in line with other sidearms in the price range. But it just wasn't consistent, accurate, and reliable enough to make me fully comfortable.
For a couple hundred $ more, the Glock's proven reliability, greater accuracy, and (so far) flawless function provides me peace of mind I want for staking my life on my sidearm.
Out West
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Just buy what you want and leave it at that. Bashing another man's preference is bad form. Anyone truely interested in knowing what Sigma owners like about the pistol could find more than they can read in a day by simply searching on "sigma".
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Did you have one of the first gen models? The first gens had alot of problems which is why the new VE models still get the bad rep. S&W improved all the flaws with the 3 gen models so now basically the only con is the trigger which isn't that bad. I'd rather have a a cheaper gun with a heavy trigger (which can be remedied) then a more expensive one with a boxey frame and awkward grip angle.
HawkEyeEarl
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i like the sigma
I have had glock, xd, h&k and sigma -- all dependable.
But have only kept my sw40f sigma -- a very early one.
I like the handle and the trigger and just the way it feels better than the the others above.
Mine has always worked and for many rounds.
I have no trouble with the double action trigger.
I am glad of all the brands being there... but the sigma is my choice of polymer pistols. It is my only polymer pistol.
I have had glock, xd, h&k and sigma -- all dependable.
But have only kept my sw40f sigma -- a very early one.
I like the handle and the trigger and just the way it feels better than the the others above.
Mine has always worked and for many rounds.
I have no trouble with the double action trigger.
I am glad of all the brands being there... but the sigma is my choice of polymer pistols. It is my only polymer pistol.
If you call telling the truth "bashing" then so be it. The man asked "why" and we gave him answers. No more, no less.
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rhodnett
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How about aesthetics? I owned a Glock 21 and got rid of it......felt like a 2X4 in my hand...looked like one too. Their reliability, etc. is well known, but life is too short to own an UGLY gun, and UUHGLY they are.
What is the "truth" exactely ? Sigmas are junk ? Keep drinking the kool aid ....
Can you not READ. Or do you wish a confrontation?
I stated my opinion. The truth as I see it based on my experience with the Sigma. You like them. I don't. We are both entitled to our opinions and beliefs. You or anyone else for that matter, do not have the right to condemn me for what I believe. You can try but will fail.
I have sold many Sigma pistols to people that just HAD to have one simply because of the price. Some, not all, traded them in because they didn't like one thing or another about the gun. They eventually bought a Glock, M&P or the like. Those that LISTENED to my recommendations and actually took the time to dry fire one or rent one, quickly decided against buying one. The primary complaint was the trigger. Nobody in thier right mind can say that the Sigma trigger is NOT terrible.
My approach to selling guns, especially to first time buyers or those that only wanted one gun, was to make sure they made an informed and intelligent buy. I encouraged them to take thier time. I did not want them to come back pissed off because I sold them a gun knowing that there was a chance that they would not like it. If they made a smart buy and were happy, the entire industry as a whole wins a new shooter or gun enthusiast. They will eventually buy more guns, ammo, accessories etc.........
Some think the Sigma is a good starter gun because it's inexpensive. You ever try to teach someone to shoot a polymer framed pistol with such a crappy trigger? I bet not. New shooters learn quicker with a decent gun. That's a fact. Not opinion.
You need to keep drinking the kool aid because you obviously haven't had enough.
We can get along or not. It's up to you.
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solinvictus
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My brother had the Sigma in .40. I really, REALLY didn't like it. Somehow, the bore axis seemed off kilter to me and the frame seemed a little light for a .40. I've shot a 9mm Sigma and loved it, but I did find that the trigger was a little chunkier than a Glock.
To me, I'd pick up a Sigma in 9mm, but not .40. S&W has ( and regularly does ) run great incentives on the Sigma, so it seems a pretty easy proposition.
To me, I'd pick up a Sigma in 9mm, but not .40. S&W has ( and regularly does ) run great incentives on the Sigma, so it seems a pretty easy proposition.
As long as it works and you like it. That's what counts.
I bought my Sigma over a G anything because of price. I have and had the bucks to buy the G. But the grip is awesome on the Sigma. I have biggish mits and it worked well. Even with my biggish hands the G's feel like a 2x4 on a 1x1 in my hand. Nothing natural about them. The trigger was utter crap on my pistol. I fixed it. 
Is it a tack driver in my hands???? NO. Is it the pistol or me? It's both! But for the money I paid for mine after rebate,,, $ for $ there is nothing out there that compete! It field strips easy. It cleans up like a charm and goes back together in nothing flat. With a tad of simple polishing on the barrel its a joy to look at. As a matter of fact. I have used the barrel of the Sigma to show folks what a great looking barrel should look like dirty and cleaned. While I'm not a LRN shooter. I have shot some through the pistol. Barrel cleaned right up.
Also as a reloader I enjoy having the Sigma around. I have put some pretty major reloads through it. No issues what so ever. Brass always comes out uniform and ready for the next reload. I pick up all brass at my range. I can tell when its G fired brass. That I take pliers to and recycle.
My Sigma is NOT my main HD weapon anymore. The duty has been put on my CZ-52. It is a tack driver with a great trigger. And with Wolf Gold HP's in it. It is way deadly.
Mine out of the box in my hands shot high right. After the trigger work I'm low left. Bottom line I think I'm having memory muscle problems concerning it. The barrel is round and the bore is beautiful!
The Sigma is a hell of a deal at $300 or under! Throw in the rebate and it is the best deal on the market right now be it 9mm or .40. I plan on buying .40 even though I don't like the round.
To date I have bought 2 ea. 9mm and 1 ea. .40. I cleaned up and modded one of the 9's and the 40's and resold them with paper and made a few bucks.
I have put well over 2k rounds through my Sigma. While I can get it on paper it seems to shine for me when plinking. It plays well with me. It hasn't met a coke can that it can't kill.
Glock,,,, naw for the money and few short coming Sigma has, verses some of G's short comings in my hand. Sigma 1,,,, G, 0. The CZ-52 is a 10!!! And it cost me nothing.
Is it a tack driver in my hands???? NO. Is it the pistol or me? It's both! But for the money I paid for mine after rebate,,, $ for $ there is nothing out there that compete! It field strips easy. It cleans up like a charm and goes back together in nothing flat. With a tad of simple polishing on the barrel its a joy to look at. As a matter of fact. I have used the barrel of the Sigma to show folks what a great looking barrel should look like dirty and cleaned. While I'm not a LRN shooter. I have shot some through the pistol. Barrel cleaned right up. Also as a reloader I enjoy having the Sigma around. I have put some pretty major reloads through it. No issues what so ever. Brass always comes out uniform and ready for the next reload. I pick up all brass at my range. I can tell when its G fired brass. That I take pliers to and recycle.
My Sigma is NOT my main HD weapon anymore. The duty has been put on my CZ-52. It is a tack driver with a great trigger. And with Wolf Gold HP's in it. It is way deadly.
Mine out of the box in my hands shot high right. After the trigger work I'm low left. Bottom line I think I'm having memory muscle problems concerning it. The barrel is round and the bore is beautiful!
The Sigma is a hell of a deal at $300 or under! Throw in the rebate and it is the best deal on the market right now be it 9mm or .40. I plan on buying .40 even though I don't like the round.
To date I have bought 2 ea. 9mm and 1 ea. .40. I cleaned up and modded one of the 9's and the 40's and resold them with paper and made a few bucks.
I have put well over 2k rounds through my Sigma. While I can get it on paper it seems to shine for me when plinking. It plays well with me. It hasn't met a coke can that it can't kill.
Glock,,,, naw for the money and few short coming Sigma has, verses some of G's short comings in my hand. Sigma 1,,,, G, 0. The CZ-52 is a 10!!! And it cost me nothing.
WildCard ZX6R
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Truth and opinions are not the same last time i checked. Maybe i missed the memo where yours was the exception.
Its not about liking the gun or not, bashing it based on your opinion and touting it as the "truth" is the issue here.
My sigma and the other two that i owned have not been bad at all, certainly no worse than any DAO pistol i've ever fired and not really much heavier than my G19 i had.
Maybe theres alot of people with weak hands ?
Did i ever say anything to the contrary ? Maybe you are the one who needs to learn to read. In fact i agree with you other than your claim that the trigger is "terrible".
The sigma is a good defensive and combat pistol, not a dilettante's remote controlled paper punch.
Don't matter to me, you're already on the ignore list. Your self-righteous attitude in this thread has been enough to convince me that you are not someone who i would like to associate with.
Truth and opinions are not the same last time i checked. Maybe i missed the memo where yours was the exception.
Its not about liking the gun or not, bashing it based on your opinion and touting it as the "truth" is the issue here.
My sigma and the other two that i owned have not been bad at all, certainly no worse than any DAO pistol i've ever fired and not really much heavier than my G19 i had.
Maybe theres alot of people with weak hands ?
Did i ever say anything to the contrary ? Maybe you are the one who needs to learn to read. In fact i agree with you other than your claim that the trigger is "terrible".
The sigma is a good defensive and combat pistol, not a dilettante's remote controlled paper punch.
Don't matter to me, you're already on the ignore list. Your self-righteous attitude in this thread has been enough to convince me that you are not someone who i would like to associate with.
Fine with me. I have found most of your posts contentious, immature, and provoking at best. I guess that's how some get thier kicks. You must fall into that group of people.
My posts do not attack or provoke anyone. They may offend some. And they may not. If someone is offended, they can respond in an intelligent, dignified manner. We can discuss it. Or we can go to PM's. You however seem to have a problem communicating in such a manner.
Disagree with me. That's fine. But don't provoke me. I'll respond in the same manner each and every time.
Self righteous? No. I simply want to share my experience and knowledge with those who are willing to listen. If you don't want to listen then don't. Move to the next thread.
As far as your "ignore" list, I'm sure it's quite long with your attitude.
Go your way, I'll go mine. Enough said on this.
