Wife needs first time cc options

Let her select her own firearms!

Find someone (not you) to teach her to shoot.

Get her to a range that rents firearms and let her pick the guns she wants to try.

THIS!!! Above everything else. LET HER PICK IT... PERIOD.

You risk choosing a gun for her she won't like and will not carry. Let her try as many as she needs to and LET HER PICK. Your prejudice is already showing by your statement that it needs to be heaver than a .380.

My wife ultimately chose a .32 and I am very happy with her choice. She carries it and practices with it.

Don't set limits on her caliber options. If she can only shoot a .22 comfortably, then go with that because she may not carry anything else.

I can't say it often enough, LET HER CHOSE.
 
Handbag Carry.

Her handbags may not be made to support the weight of a handgun and holster and the strap gussets may tear out. I've ruined a couple of bags before I got purpose built bags.

Handguns can be hard to find when needed in a regular handbag, if not well secured.

If a purpose built handbag is used, the added strength required may make it substantially heavier than a regular handbag. This makes the combined bag and firearm weight more than may be expected. Though I rarely bag carry, my combination bag and carry weigh a ton compared to what I was used to. If that is her intent, then maybe she can test the combo at the LGS. Don't forget the weight of the items she regularly carries.
 
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Hello, you should be proud your wife wants to carry!! Some don't,
I agree about her picking gun of choice, I had the same problem a few years ago, I have 3 j frames didn't like them many k frames, didn't like them, out of all the guns in the world she like a LCR 38, a 9 shield and her favorite is a mp 22 compact/ go figure
She purse carrys the shield with a green viriden laser.
Good luck, I tried to make this find a gun process something that we did together and I made it all about her! ( the hardest part )
SEMPER PARATUS
 
My wife's carry evolved over time, you will probably not find that just right firearm for her. If she gets into carry then expect her to expect to widen her carry options.

She started with a 38 snub, then moved to my Star Super A, from there my Colt Police Positive. She also carried a SMC380 in her purse. Those options have changed yet again. She OC's a Witness Pavona, a NAA Black Widow in her pocket, and a Mace pepper spray gun in her purse.

The SMC used to be in her purse but now the pepper spray resides in the purse. At least if it does get stolen all they get is the pepper spray instead of a gun.

For a semi auto the Pavona is a good option. Because the hammer can be cocked manually it reduces the force needed to rack the slide.
 
There have been many good suggestions. I have found the Walter CCP to be very easy to rack and shoot. The PPS M2 is another good one. I would choose a heavier small revolver than the lightweights and would stick with S&W, Colt or Ruger. The trigger is very important and I have found that if your gunshop has several of the same gun, the triggers may vary. Also once you choose the gun, check out some of the reduced recoil ammunition that is becoming more popular. Good luck with your shopping.
 
I'm looking for her first cc firearm. She does not like guns but has fired a revolver. We can train later. The gun will likely be carried off body in a purse. She is not a very strong person so I'm thinking that racking a slide is not an option. What guns (S&W and others) should we be looking at? I'm trying to stay above .380. I carry a BG .380, but I can shoot.
Thanks!

before you buy anything....your wife should rent some different guns/calibers at a local range and get first hand experience shooting them....only then will she be able to choose the right firearm for herself.....
 
A couple things to consider:

1) The heavier it is the less likely she is to carry it. Heaver weight also limits on the on-body carry options.

2) On the other hand, the lighter it is the more it will tend to recoil (with some caveats), the less comfortable it will be to shoot it and the less she will practice with it.

3) Off body carry has some very sharp downsides:
a) if a mugger grabs the purse, he's just grabbed the gun as well;
b) it takes practice and a well designed purse to be able to access the gun quickly and shoot from inside the purse; and
c) because of a and b above, it demands a high level of situational awareness and some thought and training in retaining the purse.

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There's a balance in there, but the Colt Mustang/Sig P238/Kimber Micro are worth having her try because they are compact, light weight, easy to cycle due to the light spring, and surprisingly easy and comfortable to shoot.

Revolver wise, you've got 4 basic options.

1) The alloy frame J-frame revolvers.

They are compact, and lightweight, but that lightweight makes them a lot less comfortable to shoot. They run around 14oz for the exposed hammer models and about 15 oz of the shrouded and hammerless models.

2) The steel J frame revolvers.

They are heavier at around 20 oz for a 1 7/8" Model 36 and 2 1/8" Model 60 and around 22 oz for a 3" - but the extra weight makes them much more pleasant to shoot. The Model 60 can also fire .357 Magnum - but it's a handful.

3) The slightly heavier Ruger SP 101

These run about 5 oz heavier than the steel framed S&W J frames but are very comparable in overall size. It makes them slightly heavier to carry, but more comfortable to shoot. And they are also chambered in .357 Magnum.

4) The K frame revolvers.

These will run around 34 oz with a 2.5" barrel. That's 7 oz more than an a 3" SP 101, and 12 oz heavier than a 3" Model 60 - but they are much more comfortable to shoot, and it's the point where the .357 Magnum starts to become a reasonable option.
 
Don't know if this helps or not. My bride can rack a slide but won't. She wanted a revolver for the simplicity of being able to point and shoot and not have to be concerned with anything else. She chose a 637 J frame with CTC grips. Qualified for her concealed carry with it and will not consider any other gun to carry. Ask me how I know. :D
 

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My wife is a revolver kind of girl. She has at her disposal S&W models 642 and 67 and a Ruger SP101. She wants nothing to do with autos in any way shape or form. She has had experience with exactly one round of .357 and wants nothing to do with it either. The 38 Special works fine for her. She weights in at 113 LBS but has no trouble with a DA trigger pull. You don't want her shooting at you with the model 67.
 
No hate involved here. You wanted opinions and recommendations... and you got 'em straight and honestly. Why bother asking if you are just seeking reinforcement of what YOU think she should carry?

CC and personal defense are very subjective things. The choice of weapon is best left to the one who will be doing the carrying.
 
Bigwheelzip and Rpg have it right. Get a purpose-built bag, and get yourself uninvolved from the process. Let her try stuff--a trip to the gun store might be in order. Don't discount automatics, or cartridges. Many women, I have heard, find the Ruger SR22 to their liking, and I can think of quite a few that I wouldn't want shooting at me with anything. Period.

In other news, doesn't your regional realtor's association have a Realtor Safety class? Around here, it's part of the certification. Namely, you shouldn't be meeting people for the first time at the location, among other things. Guns are your last line of defense, not your first.
 
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If she is going to carry in her purse why not go with a full size revolver but I discouraged my wife about purse carry as it is way too easy for a bad guy to snatch or separate a woman from her purse but if she is adamant about it let her try a full size revolver .
 
My purse is by Gun toting Mama's. It has a dedicated pocket with easy access and a holster velcroed in to keep in the correct position. I keep a couple of speed strips in the same pocket. My carry weapon is a Model 60 no dash. If I feel the need my 659 will fit but it's really too heavy.
 
Get a steel revolver because she can always swing the heavy purse at the bad guy.

Or, if her key ring is anything like my wife's, just use that as a weapon. It's already in her hand.
 
There's a lot of hate [experience] being thrown around ....

I like my word better.

Having worked in a gun department in a Nevada sporting goods store at one point in my life I saw lots of gals who wanted a ccw. I can't recall ever seeing it go well when a husband/boyfriend tried to help. Typically they were gun guys and hauled in all their built-in prejudices along with their lady. The guys thought they should do all the talking. When I'd talk to the lady the guy would always (there aren't many absolutes in life, but that was one) butt in and answer for the gal. I'm not suggesting you're that guy. I'm simply sharing my experience, like so many others here have done.

We didn't have the plethora of S&W J-frames or semi-autos back then. I would think it would be a hoot to work in a big shop nowadays, helping new shooters pick out something that feels comfortable and they can operate.

If I had that opportunity today I believe I would focus on Centennial model revolvers for a gal who wanted to carry in a purse. As with pocket carry, there's no hammer to get hung up. I put a Hogue Tamer on my 43C, 8-shot, 22lr. There's hardly any felt recoil, and the same grip on my M&P 340 makes the .357s seem not so bad.

I make two points here. Any gun right out of the display case might not feel or fit right. If there's an opportunity to try different grips on a gun it can make all the difference in the world, no matter the caliber.

Slàinte,

Bob
 
S&W 642/442.

Based on what you've written, it sounds as if your wife is not a gun enthusiast and most likely never will be. That means she won't receive much training nor practice much. A DAO revolver generally makes the most sense in such cases IMO. And remember that gun forum members are often relatively serious hobbyists and their perspective will usually reflect it. Picking out a gun suitable for personal defense is not the same as choosing an outfit since it could be a matter of life and death. An individual with very limited training, experience or knowledge is not really capable of making an informed decision fully on their own. They need guidance and input. As such, I do think it prudent for your wife to try out some different guns at the range, but more importantly have the various pros/cons explained by someone who understands them in context.

Context is absolutely crucial. Just because a gun is pleasant to shoot and accurate at the range doesn't mean it's the best choice for an EDC since range shooting and armed civilian self-defense have very little in common.

Here's a good article from Massad Ayoob titled "The real ladies handgun"...

For too long, women were told that if they wanted to carry a sidearm they needed a "ladies' gun," usually a tiny .22 or .25 automatic with so little power it might or might not stop a charging gerbil. Then the trend moved toward the small .38 Special revolver. The snubnose .38 became a classic "ladies' gun" for modern times.


Smith & Wesson's first "LadySmith" since the 19th century became a roaring success in the 20th centurybased on the Chief Special, 2-inch barrel, five-shot, .32-frame revolver. There would be other LadySmiths, including the neat little 3913 LS compact 9mm autopistol.

But Smith & Wesson has sold far more short barreled .38 Specials in conventional Chief Special, hammershrouded Bodyguard, and "hammerless" Centennial configurations than anything of the other models to which they gave the feminine appellation. When Colt made a "ladies' model," they built it on the small D-frame revolver, with a 2-inch barrel, in caliber .38 Special.


Those of us who shoot a lot--competitors, firearms instructors, "serious students of the combat handgun"--can't help but notice that with the hottest loads, the small .38 has a nasty recoil and is hard to shoot accurately at significant distances. There are those who have said that because of these factors, the snubnose .38 is a bad choice for women.
I beg to disagree. And so do a huge number of that legion of the fairer sex who choose to go armed, and who seem to have taken the snubnose .38 as their collective handgun of choice.


Voting With Their Feet


"Shall issue" concealed carry legislation has swept the country. It is the strongest wave of victory in the gunowners' civil rights movement. It amazes the opponents of gun owners' rights how many of the people applying for concealed carry permits are women. And the instructors who train and certify those women for those concealed carry permits are telling us a huge number of those ladies are shooting their qualifications with the guns they, intend to carry: short barrel, small frame .38 Special revolvers.


The women of America know what they want. After a lifetime of getting ripped off by men in male oriented things like estimates on automobile repairs, they've learned to check things out on their own and not take a man's word for what women need.


They appreciate that they can shoot pistols like the Browning Hi-Power and the 1911 .45 and the Glock and the S&W 3913 better than most men realize. They also realize that they can carry a short, light revolver a helluva lot more easily within their daily wardrobe and dress code restrictions than they can even a compact alloy-frame .45 automatic.


Tactical Points


Gun dealers tell me the single most popular carry gun they're selling to women is the lightweight .38 Special, 2-inch revolver with snag-free configuration, such as the S&W Centennial Airweight. Yes, it kicks enough to hurt your hand. Yes, it will be one of the toughest guns for you to "qualify" with on the 15 to 25 yard line of a police-style shooting course.


However, the women who buy them for daily carry have no illusions about being involved in across-the-street shootouts. They're worried about the mugger who is within arm's length or maybe even closer when they have to defend their lives.


Women get tired of carrying big guns. The woman with whom I spent 30 years of marriage could count on her annual or biannual gift of what her husband thought was a cool self-defense pistol. She wound up with enough high speed, low drag, often highly customized semiautomatic pistols to outfit a small police department. The HK P7, a Behlert Mini-Custom S&W Model 39, a Trapper custom "bobcatted" Colt .45 auto--the list goes on.


It was always, "That's nice, dear." She'd carry it for a week to placate me, and then go back to one of her Colt .38 snubbies, either the engraved Detective Special or the lightweight Agent with hammer shroud and Barami Hip-Grip that fit neatly into the waistband of her beltless slacks.


No Surrender


Male criminals tend to be misogynists. The man who would surrender to him at gunpoint would die rather than go to prison with it known that he had surrendered to her. He is more likely by far to attack and attempt to disarm a woman. More than 20 years of teaching handgun disarming and retention has taught me the hardest gun to take away from its legitimate owner is a 2-inch barreled revolver.
With a shrouded hammer, this is also the only gun a woman can fire through a coat pocket without a hammer or a slide fouling in fabric and stopping her stream of fire.


Ideal for shooting all day at a training school? No. Ideal for concealed carry in real world circumstances? Yes.


The snubnose .38 revolver with snag-free hammer might just be the best choice for the defensive problems an armed woman in this society is most likely to face.
 
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I have found that many women think they want a light weight handgun but as we all know that means more recoil even from smaller calibers. It's important to balance carrying weight with felt recoil. With a gun that's too heavy or a gun that kicks too much many women are going to just not carry at all. My wife and my daughter both fell into that trap. No amount of me telling them they wouldn't like the lightweight guns they bought could change their mind. Now I'm the only one that carries my wife's .380 and I don't think anyone carries my daughter's .38 spcl. Both would have been better off with a snub nose .38 with some more weight even if it meant making it harder to carry. At least they wouldn't fear practicing with it.
 
I have found that many women think they want a light weight handgun but as we all know that means more recoil even from smaller calibers. It's important to balance carrying weight with felt recoil. With a gun that's too heavy or a gun that kicks too much many women are going to just not carry at all. My wife and my daughter both fell into that trap. No amount of me telling them they wouldn't like the lightweight guns they bought could change their mind. Now I'm the only one that carries my wife's .380 and I don't think anyone carries my daughter's .38 spcl. Both would have been better off with a snub nose .38 with some more weight even if it meant making it harder to carry. At least they wouldn't fear practicing with it.

That's why a lot of people carry those less than manly cartridges, though they rarely admit to it on the internet. There have been a couple instances where 22 LR has saved a woman in both NC, and SC. A few years back a man stopped a home invasion with a NAA 22 LR. Nothing wrong with an air-weight either with WC 38 target ammo. My suggestion would be a LCR in 327, loaded with 32 S&W long.

They can have it all, light weight, low recoil as long as they don't listen to men.
 
Do us a favor and let us know what she decides. You've received some sound advice, already.

I would also caution that the first purchase might not be a perfect fit. Go with the flow and let things shake out naturally.

Hey, she wants to learn how to protect herself, right? That's really GOOD news!
 
I put my ex on a Beretta tomcat 32. The tip up barrel and DA was great for her. I'd have liked to go bigger but with bigger comes more recoil. After a couple boxes she'd pepper a soda can at SD distances. After that I didn't worry about her hitting what she aimed at. But I also taught her its always a head shot. So we'd bounce between Folger's red plastic coffee cans and coke cans when we'd go shoot

My .02
 
Groo here
Is this her "first gun"?
I would point her toward a K frame snub ,m-10 round butt if possible or a new M-66 2 3/4..
Ammo in 38 can be loaded or gotten that is very light kick.
New +p stuff is better than years past.
To many want to buy "once".
This is not possible as the "right" gun will change as you learn.
Get a gun that fits HER,that She likes, and is big / heavy enough to shoot alot.
Extra light / small guns are for experienced shooters.
 
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Bigwheelzip and Rpg have it right. Get a purpose-built bag, and get yourself uninvolved from the process. Let her try stuff--a trip to the gun store might be in order. Don't discount automatics, or cartridges. Many women, I have heard, find the Ruger SR22 to their liking, and I can think of quite a few that I wouldn't want shooting at me with anything. Period.

In other news, doesn't your regional realtor's association have a Realtor Safety class? Around here, it's part of the certification. Namely, you shouldn't be meeting people for the first time at the location, among other things. Guns are your last line of defense, not your first.

One big realty firm here in town rented out a range with instructor to run a CWP class for their employees.
 
I'm looking for her first cc firearm. She does not like guns but has fired a revolver. We can train later.
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If she doesn't like guns, why would she carry one? Is carrying a pistol her idea or yours? Maybe pepper spray would be a better option for her.
 
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If the range you go to have a ladies nght .. take her there and drop her off ..

Inside she can talk and see what other women are carrying and the reason why .. they will be more the happy to help her find something she will carry ..

We don't give woman enough credit when it comes to strength .. if taught proper technique most will be able to rack the slide of an auto .. there are as many slight build men as women out here that don't have any problem !!
 
Seems like it took my wife forever to decided what to carry once she actually made up her mind to. She shot everything I own and half of what the range had to rent before choosing MY Ruger SP101. She shoots it very well and is comfortable with it. Not wanting to be without one of my favorite handguns we now own two. I actually find myself carrying a J frame 638 more often than not. The advice to let her pick her own firearm is very sound.
 

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