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If you shoot in GSSF matches it's possible. Try bullseye across the National Match Course and tell me how it does. By the way, spitting out coffee is considered coffee abuse.
Will somone either loan me three hundred bucks or talk me out of the M&P 40s that are out there.
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I'll dissuade you with ammo costs being twice that of 9mm. Considering that to get good at a gun a thousand rounds is probably a starting point, so that's about an extra $200. .40 beats up guns, but with ammo costs so high I doubt many people shoot it enough to wear our their gun.
My #3 Son is the firearms/training officer for a large agency.
This agency started with .38, than 9mm, than .40, then .45.
Now returned to 9mm. He reported that the .40 was more effected in OIS than the other calibers. I would have guessed the .45 was.
This agency started with .38, than 9mm, than .40, then .45.
Now returned to 9mm. He reported that the .40 was more effected in OIS than the other calibers. I would have guessed the .45 was.
Beats up guns how?
I have 9's, 45's, 40's 10mm's and a couple other odd ball caliber.
Most of my pistols have anywhere between 500 to 1500 rounds through them, all, for the most, original internals. The 40's are not beat up at all. My Glock 20 has been ran hot through most of its life and for 10mm, it looks as good as new inside.
So what gets beat up on a .40?
And cost twice as much as 9mm?
LOL, you need to find a better supplier.
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LVSteve
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I think "40 recoils a lot" comes from people whose first experience of the caliber is using a Glock 23. My first shooting buddy had a 23C and I thought it was nasty. Shooting a full mag of SD ammo left my hand "zinging". I've not fired a M&P 40, but given the way the M&P design makes 9mm feel like a powder puff, it has to be nicer to shoot.
sousana
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I picked up a LE trade in m&p in 40 for $219 when I got it, it appeared to be uninsured with 2 mags, plus, I purchased 20 trade in mags for $7.95 each. Lol, yesterday at the gunshot in their loose mag bins, I found 7 glock oem 33rd mags, 5 fde 19x 19rd mags, 10 g17 oem mags, 4 mag g19 mags, 8 m&p 40 mags, 2 p220 mags, and about 40 Remington 7rd 1911 mags. Got all them thar mags for 100 cash.
The m&p 40 shoots like a dream, just like it's counterpart shield 40.
The m&p 40 shoots like a dream, just like it's counterpart shield 40.
Apparently that OP never owned or shot a 40..........None of what he said it true.........IIffen ya apply the same bullet technology to the 40 as to the 9 the 40 wins hands down........Been a 40 shooter since 1989 when it was first introduced.
According to Doc Gary Roberts, among relatively common duty rounds, 180 gr 40 S&W has the best terminal effectiveness.
The 'beat up guns' reputation comes from early 40 S&W pistols that were 9mm designs converted to 40 S&W. The early 3rd gen S&W 40 S&Ws were known for a multitude of problems, and the aluminum frame models were known for cracking frames. The latter was true for 40 S&W SIG P226 that were shot a lot. I've heard some argue that the whole 'overtorqued weapon lights causing functioning issues' was largely a Gen 3 Glock 22/23 frame flex/harmonics issue. Glock finally added slide mass for the Gen 5 G22/23.
Pistols that were designed to shoot 40 S&W from the start like the SIG P229, HK USP, and S&W M&P (really, most post 2000 duty handguns) generally had fewer 40 S&W specific issues.
I initially dismissed 40 S&W after shooting a Gen 3 Glock 35 that really didn't fit my hands, giving me the famed Glock knuckle. I later got to shoot an XDM 40 S&W, and high bore axis be damned, it was far more pleasant to shoot. I also found 180 gr duty loads more pleasant than 155-165. 180 gr's smoother recoil impulse felt more like shooting 230 gr .45 ACP.
There's a flaw in thinking that 40 S&W JHP have improved proportionally as much as 9mm JHP have, and it's that 40 S&W started out more reliable on average, especially in sub 4" barrels. A lot of 9mm JHP offered either shallow penetration (ex. Winchester Silvertip), or inconsistent expansion, especially through heavy clothing (ex. Federal Hydra-Shok).
Comparing Hydra Shok to the newer HST, 9mm went from expanding some of the time to working almost all of the time, along with expanding bigger and penetrating deeper. With .40 S&W, Hydra Shok worked very well from the start! HST will expand a little bigger and penetrate a little deeper. .40 S&W HST still has better terminal performance than 9mm HST, but the JHP performance gap has narrowed.
With all that said, I still think that 9mm is a better choice for most people. For them, the slight terminal performance edge with .40 S&W isn't going to be worth the reduced capacity, increased recoil, and higher ammo costs. They're not insurmountable things, but just not worth it to most people. We also get slightly slimmer guns when magazines are designed around 9x19 and not as 9/40. For all the talk of the P365's magazine design, it's not any narrower than a CZ-75 magazine.
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mrshyvley
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I LMAO hearing people whine about the .40SW recoil. 
I started out carrying when most people still carried revolvers.
It was a S&W Model 19 .357 Magnum 4" barrel.
I started out carrying when most people still carried revolvers.
It was a S&W Model 19 .357 Magnum 4" barrel.
eclayton
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Yes, they are a great deal. They are so cheap, I bought several just to experiment with, having no experience with the M&P. Four M&P40's and two M&P9's later, I haven't received one in bad shape yet. Night sights are probably dead, so you can factor that into the ownership cost if working night sights are important to you, but starting at under $250 the guns are still a great deal.
I was around for the mass purge of police revolvers in the late 80s/early 90s, when you could pick up a S&W Model 66 dumped by some police department for $150. Adjusted for inflation, these M&Ps are far cheaper. Get them while they last. The stampede of departments to rid themselves of .40 pistols may have some rational basis in cost, improved 9mm ballistics, etc.; but for individual ownership the caliber is just as functional as it was all the years when it dominated the police market. A lot of goofydoofs on the internet post a lot of emotional bile about .40 S&W, and maybe that helps suppress market demand and makes these surplus deals so cheap. Again, get them while you can! Eventually, as with police revolvers today, people will be scratching their heads and asking where all the $239 M&P40s have gone.
Just an observation; in person, talking to people who dislike or talk trash about the .40 S&W have never even shot one.
Same seems to ring true on the interwebs.
People can search my history/posts. I own/shoot about every caliber.
I'll CCW a 10mm, 40 and 9 at any given time. Just depends on what gun fits for the occasion. Not a 40 fan boy. I just know enough that it will win matches and put down bad guys.
Same seems to ring true on the interwebs.
People can search my history/posts. I own/shoot about every caliber.
I'll CCW a 10mm, 40 and 9 at any given time. Just depends on what gun fits for the occasion. Not a 40 fan boy. I just know enough that it will win matches and put down bad guys.
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I'd say most of them are. Any more, unless you got unlucky and got the one the firearms instructor carried and shot the snot out of, most are going to be relatively low round count. Maybe someone when they the academy with the gun. But on the other hand, maybe not $239 plus tax and shipping is a lot cheaper than buying y a new Glock or M&Ps, or possibly more reliable and easier to find parts, accessories, or holsters for the than some of the similar price point bargain brand.
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I have M&P .40 in Full and Shield. Have to say, recoil is marginally higher than 9's, but nothing a little more hand/grip strength can't solve. I have several 9's(HK, Glock, Taurus), but I love shooting the .40's. Add an MCarbo trigger spring kit and you'll fall in love like I did. Never giving them up.
I haven't got any money, but I'd encourage you to buy, buy, buy. And then show us the pretty pictures.
1500 rounds won't beat up anything, but it's known amongst competitors still dealing with the ghost of Jeff Cooper (Major power factor) that .40 is harder on the gun. If you can't tell the difference in recoil I don't know what to tell you.
golly gee whiz on the .40 post here...........
I bought a M&P 40 full size when they first came out and it was my EDC for 5 years. I bought a 9mm barrel for it and still shoot 9mm and 40 out of it when I go to the range. I got 9mm mags for the 9s, but tried the 40 mags to see if they would work and they did. I wouldn't sell it for anything and would buy more if I could get them at that price. I only went to a Sig P-365 for my EDC because I'm an old man who had back surgery and found that the full size M&P 40 fully loaded was getting difficult to carry. Ammo cost is no different than 9mm because I'm reloading with components I stocked up on before the price gouging started.
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Well, since none of you are going to come up with the dough, I will have to go to the mattress....
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