Will the 15-22 fall under an AWB?

[CAJUNLAWYER]

Ever notice "most" of these shootings are done by the Mentally Ill that don't get proper treatment ????? WHERE is the Mental Health system hiding ??? BLAME THE SYSTEM for NOT helping these people that need treatment and only get turned away.

Don't know about your state but Mental health is one of the first programs on the cutting block when the budget screams. Pretty much everything in Louisiana is in the constitution and imune from cuts except higher education and the medical system. I see it daily in my practice-the laxk of mental health programs is a huge problem. And the ones they have are pitiful-here take this pill and come back and see me next month. St. Mary Parish has one psychiatrist to see everyone in the parish. The ones who really need a bed are locked up in seg in the jail for as long as 18 months until a bed can be found at the state hospital-and even that is being cut. The mentally troubled are just a klick above the criminals in the public's eye for services. Anf you know what? It's gonna get worse.Y'all ain't seen nuthin' yet.

 

[Dikinalaska]

I don't know about you but I would not trust a left wing, tree hugging, vegan teacher to know when to shoot and when not to. The idea of arming the teachers does not make a lot of common sense. Most of them are scared to even look at a gun because they have no experience with firearms except what they see in the news.

Here in Alaska I'd say 7 out of 10 of my school teachers are gun activists and shoot on a regular basis. Hunting is a way of life and 6/10 people in AK carry concealed. I'm with Jyezahn, please make more intelligent statements.

 

[Jyezahn]

Don't know about your state but Mental health is one of the first programs on the cutting block when the budget screams. Pretty much everything in Louisiana is in the constitution and imune from cuts except higher education and the medical system. I see it daily in my practice-the laxk of mental health programs is a huge problem. And the ones they have are pitiful-here take this pill and come back and see me next month. St. Mary Parish has one psychiatrist to see everyone in the parish. The ones who really need a bed are locked up in seg in the jail for as long as 18 months until a bed can be found at the state hospital-and even that is being cut. The mentally troubled are just a klick above the criminals in the public's eye for services. Anf you know what? It's gonna get worse.Y'all ain't seen nuthin' yet.

I saw a petition started by a friend of a friend that is pushing for an excise tax on all guns and ammunition in order to fund mental health care. It goes on to state that 1 in 10 households has a member who is mentally ill, and the gun community should pay for treatment. I don't know, but it seems to me that gun massacres are a teeny-weenie percentage of that "1 in 10" figure, but they want gun owners to bite the bullet and fund all mental healthcare. I've not had a response from the group of people that I posted this on yet. I've a feeling they won't respond.

 

[rkillion]

That's it, I'm running for senator. Robert Killion for senator. Running in Arkansas. I don't think I'm kidding either.

 

[gdauth]

I never felt the need or desire for an AR style rifle. In fact, I view them as too conspicuous to suit my needs. For home defense I have a 9mm pistol and a Beretta 9mm carbine. For close in work my Mini 14 is more than adequate and if I need to reach out and touch something my scoped Remington Model 700 will do the job. True it is not mean looking, but it can do the job at 300 - 400 yards. True the Beretta is strange looking, but it is accurate within its range and no one will see it.

 

[midias]

The thing that scares me is the possibility of requiring mental exams to purchase/posses a firearm. It's already being tried on veterans.

In ny they look through your medical history

 

[Kayback]

We have a rather lengthy process for buying a gun, which includes an interview at the police station, and back ground checks which include telephone calls to friends/family.

You know what it does? It makes life difficult for the legal owners. It does sweet FA to stop the criminals getting their hands on guns.

KBK

 

[47knuckle]

...unless Congress violates the Ex Post Facto clause of Article one...sections nine and ten of the US Constitution...existing firearms have to be "grandfathered" in.

...Ex Post Facto clause prohibits laws from being retroactive...in this case banning something that was legal before the law was passed...

CLICK HERE

I need an explanation from one of our attoney/forum members. If this is true how did they legally manufacture and legally sell "Street Sweeper" semi-auto shotguns, then tell us private ownership is no longer allowed, turn them in or go to jail.

 

[TacoDaTugBoat]

A lot of people are getting way too worked up here. Calm down and consider your words carefully.

My thoughts:

Armed teachers - My wife is an elementary school teacher about 20 minutes from where this took place. She would not be a good candidate for carrying a concealed weapon. She does not have what is takes even if staring down a barrel. However, some of her coworkers who I have gotten to know well are good candidates. I think it is an option that should be explored and made available on a voluntary basis.Additional training should be required. Additional requirements should be put in place. Not every teacher who thinks they are a good candidate is.

Liability - I feel that all firearms not under immediately control of the owner should be well secured. This definition is not easily established as it varies from situation to situation. If others live in your house, the firearms should be locked in a safe or other secure location. If you live alone, a locked house MAY be enough. If a person neglects to properly secure their firearms, they should be held responsible. If they were well secured but still taken, you should found clear of any responsibility. Pl;ease don't take this as you cannot have a home defense weapon unlocked. But when you leave the house it should be locked up.
A firearm should be treated like a valuable. Most people secure there valuables beyond just locking the front door.

Regulation - I have no problem with additional permitting for owning a rifle. I am currently going through the pistol permit process and would think that a similar process would be fine for owning a rifle. Not to stir the pot, but I was surprised at how little was covered in my NRA Pistol Safety Course. I assumed that legal issues and liability would be covered in the class as well. I would assume that a rifle permit would be no more intensive than a pistol permit and it might encourage more people to just go through the entire process. This would certainly help to weed out the unstable people.

High Capacity Magazines (HCM) - I agree that HCM do little to make the situation worse. Magazine changes are very rapid and easy.

Feel free to disagree with me or anyone else here. But please do not be demeaning or rude to others. We need to do our part to represent responsible gun owners and to stay away from the stereotypical gun toting redneck image. I may add more to this post if more comes to mind.

 

[shawnr5]

I saw a petition started by a friend of a friend that is pushing for an excise tax on all guns and ammunition in order to fund mental health care. It goes on to state that 1 in 10 households has a member who is mentally ill, and the gun community should pay for treatment. I don't know, but it seems to me that gun massacres are a teeny-weenie percentage of that "1 in 10" figure, but they want gun owners to bite the bullet and fund all mental healthcare. I've not had a response from the group of people that I posted this on yet. I've a feeling they won't respond.

Since it is the extremely mentally ill that purpetrate most of these acts, maybe there should be a special tax on mental health care and medication to subsidize arming and training teachers.

 

[rkillion]

Since it is the extremely mentally ill that purpetrate most of these acts, maybe there should be a special tax on mental health care and medication to subsidize arming and training teachers.

Nah, just limit Obama to one vacation every two years, and the savings would take care of their licensing, training, and likely even the pistol. heck that's more vacations that I take every two years, I haven't had a real vacation ever.

 

[TacoDaTugBoat]

Nah, just limit Obama to one vacation every two years, and the savings would take care of their licensing, training, and likely even the pistol. heck that's more vacations that I take every two years, I haven't had a real vacation ever.

Not to get political here, but I believe Bush was not afraid of vacation. Maybe it should be worded that the President should be limited in vacation, and The House and Congress too!

 

[66 shooter]

Rather than arming the teachers and school staff, which would require a whole lot of initial and in-service training, just use that money and give it to the various law enforcement agencies in the form of grants. Do it like the old COPS programs and put LEO's in the schools. Or better yet, utilize the large base of retired law enforcement officers that are out there and probably would like to have a job. Already trained, and with expierence. Leave the teachers to do what they do best.

 

[Unit505]

That is not a detachable magazine. Please ask more intelligent questions.

Point being.....I said nothing about detachable. High cap is high cap. That's going to be an issue if a law is enacted dealing strictly with capacity. An intelligent person would have caught on to that.

 

[Kai Winters]

This persons' mother legally owned the 5 guns in her possession...3 of which were used in this dreadful killing.
CT has some of the most strict gun laws in the state.
The shooter doesn't seem to have had any run in with the law in any way.

These are the things we seem to know.

Preventing another similar shooting under similar conditions will probably result in what we just experienced.
How could this have been prevented?
Difficult to prevent but as a "day after" scenario it is fairly easy.
1) No guns...good luck with that.
2) Proper securing of weapons...so far I don't think we have heard if these guns had trigger locks and/or stored in a secure safe type device.
3) The shooter should have been under care, etc...I don't think we know for sure if this person was ever under a mental health pro's care at any time. We have heard stories but as in all stories there is usually a lot more fiction than facts.
4) Someone in the school should have been armed. Nice in theory but hard in reality for many, many reasons.

What can we, as gun owners, do to slow down and maybe prevent access to weapons?
We can and should use trigger locks on all our weapons and/or keep them in a secure container. We should also have the keys, etc. on our person out of reach.
If someone breaks into our home while we are away it will be much more difficult or hopefully impossible for them to walk out with a gun...or at least an inoperable gun.

This easy step will reduce accidental shootings and the use of a gun, for any reason, by someone that should not have the gun or use of the gun.

I've read all of the posts and while it is easy to talk about freedom and making statements about what will happen to someone coming into my house, etc. We are sometimes not at home and that is when most thefts occur...most thiefs are not stupid and know when we are not home if their intent is to rob us.

It is our responsibility to secure our weapons period...with freedom comes responsibility. If we want to own guns we must demonstrated we can and do keep them secured, especially when not at home.

If it is defense you are worried about, it is easy to keep our defensive weapon unlocked and close to hand while we are home. Those with CC permits can always have their personal weapon on them. All others, especially when the home is unoccupied should be secure...a door lock is not enough.

If we don't take these steps the government will "take" them for us. Do you really want the government involved, making the rules, passing the laws considering what we are all hearing and have heard for the past few days.

Regarding statements in the area of "let them try to take my guns". That is not going to work. If law enforcement authorities feel the need they will come to your home and take all your weapons. If you try to stop them or make some sort of stand to "defend your freedom" they will respond and as we have seen their response will fit the need at the moment.
It will not work out well for you in the end. It will also continue to make the case for more and harsher gun laws and regulations.

We need, as gun owners, to take the lead in trying to prevent future shootings of this nature. We won't make any more friends in the anti-gun lobby but what is more important is we may save a life.

 

[Kayback]

But how secure is secure?

Like I said we have to keep any firearm that is not directly under our control in a government approved safe.

I needed extra bolts in my safe. I used a 750w hand drill and a 3mm and a 8mm metal bit to drill holes in the safe. Put enough holes in a row and you get a bigger hole.

Give me an angle grinder and I'd have been inside it in about 5 minutes.

So now I'm negligent because I didn't strip the weapon down into components and store them separately in different bank vaults?

KBK

 

[Snake Plissken]

To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow... For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding.

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

 

[warprints]

I need an explanation from one of our attoney/forum members. If this is true how did they legally manufacture and legally sell "Street Sweeper" semi-auto shotguns, then tell us private ownership is no longer allowed, turn them in or go to jail.

Ex Post Facto applies to criminalizing an act (not a thing) that was previously legal. In regard to guns, for example, they can not pass a law that says because you owned a 100 round magazine in the past, that you will now go to jail, if it wasn't illegal when you possessed the magazine.

 

[warprints]

Sorry, but wrong ...

Louisiana just passed a new 2nd amendment law that basically make gun ownership a fundamental right and for the most part, bans any future federal legislation against firearms. It's complicated, but here's a quick article.

Louisiana votes a big "Yes" to expanding gun rights | Blog of New Orleans

And another.........

NRA: Support the Second Amendment, Vote 'YES' on 2: Info • Deer Hunting in Louisiana • Louisiana Sportsman, LA

State laws and state constitutions cannot abrogate Federal statutes. That is, if there is a federal law re guns, state law cannot say we're going to ignore it. Pretty much all the Louisiana Constitutional Amendment did was require strict scrutiny by the Louisiana courts of any gun regulations passed by the Louisiana legislature.

 

[rkillion]

If enough states were to pass the same as Louisiana, that would make enough of an imprint to cause any future attempt null out the gate.

But if I'm not mistaken, isn't there something that states that any bill to alter the constitution have a sundown date?