Will there be a post-lock?

[silversnake]

Does anyone have an estimate of how big an order would have to be for a custom run? Like say Lipsey's wanted to custom order a batch of Model 66s without a lock as an exclusive Talo edition, how many units would they be looking at?

 

[Arik]

Let me check my crystal ball

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[Mumbly-Peg]

Alan am I wrong in thinking that the machining process is done by CNC machines so that eliminating the flag hole cut would be as simple as entering the command into the computer, and that besides saving machine time it reduces parts cost as well as the time it takes to install the associated parts involved ?

Probably more like deleting a line of G code and possibly avoiding another tool change. In reality, the time it takes to change something like that on a machine's program would probably be made up for after the first couple of frames are machined.

I'd imagine the lock remains for publicity reasons only.

 

[eveled]

I have heard the lock is considered a storage device, and not a safety device.

As far as centennials are concerned, I cannot believe it took so long to offer no lock versions. In fact I can't believe they ever put locks on centennial s in the first place.

On a centennial there is no way to tell if the gun is locked or not the little flag is completely hidden. Extremely unsafe IMHO.

 

[Aerocross]

Here's an example I found a while back of what an internal lock failure actually looks like:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsIWXd_9xPE[/ame]
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaR6NdBzZO4[/ame]

Do any of you who are more mechanically inclined have any idea of what actually happened on the inside of the gun?

 

[revolver686]

In that video how do we know it was the internal lock that that failed and not something else? Was there a follow-up that confirmed it?

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[357-RevolverGuy]

Maybe one day they will eliminate it, but don't hold your breath. It took almost two decades for S&W to bring back the snub nose K frame, so if it ever does happen there's just no telling when.

If there is concern about it malfunctioning there are two gentleman on the classifieds here (Bullseye Smith and epj) that make and sell a plug. I bought one for my 686+ and it works, looks great, and gives me some peace of mind. Highly recommended.

 

[Lou_the_welder]

Aerocross:

There was a thread about revolver reliability. That "fail" happened to me. Out of a 686 also. I was shooting "ruger" loads and my gun seized! Couple cylinders only. Did I trigger the lock? To tell you the truth, I let the gun cool off and it un-seized! Hasn't done it since! And it's been years now.

I did have to send it in for a unrelated symptom. The timing went out. The firing pin would hit the side of the cases! Not the primers! That was bad....

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[Lee's Landing Billy]

The 43C, 351C, 340 and 640 are also available without a lock (and maybe others?)

I saw in another thread here someone talked to a rep from S&W and was told that the lock would be included on everything with an exposed hammer. Why that makes any difference, I don't know.

That could have been me.I did post that once and as far as I know it's still valid. S&W doesn't currently make a revolver with an external hammer without the lock. I see lotsa guns shot here. I have PERSONALLY seen 3 locks engage on 3 separate guns. All were light weight .22s. Strange...

 

[jtcarm]

The 43C, 351C, 340 and 640 are also available without a lock (and maybe others?)



I saw in another thread here someone talked to a rep from S&W and was told that the lock would be included on everything with an exposed hammer. Why that makes any difference, I don't know.

Because it's much easier for a kid to cock and pull a 3-4 lb trigger than a 12-lb DA trigger.

Even before the lock, PDs were issuing DA-only revolvers. That crisp SA trigger is great for target and hunting, but PDs decided it was a liability in shootouts.

Has that been a major cause of accidents? I seriously doubt it, but emotion and not logic rule. Headlines like "Gun Mfr removes child safety lock" or "S&W reneges on child safety lock agreement" would send stockholders fleeing. Unfortunately , in a publicly traded company, stockholders, and not customers, call the shots.

I'm not arguing for the lock at all, just stating why I think its not going away anytime soon.

 

[ditrina]

Thank you all for your input. We're done here.