Winchester M1152 Ammo in P365

[alwslate]

I have chronographed a LOT of 9mm ammo in the last thirty years or so. Most of it has been 115 or 124 gr FMJ. Way too many details to go into here but some brands of standard pressure 115 gr, which probably is the most popular, are simply watered down junk and some are not. Remington 115 FMJ chronographes 1059 FPS out of my BHP and will not cycle the action of it or some other guns I own. Another brand that I won't name chronos 1225-1268 FPS out of the same gun and is sold as std pressure. I believe them because they also sell +P ammo. The point here is that it is hard to believe that any rational person can actually believe that 115 FMJ that chronos a little over 1300 FPS will actually blow up current production guns.

 

[lrmnut]

M1152

From Guns.com

Winchester advises to only use the M1152 in modern 9mm firearms in good condition as they run a pressure that is 10 to 15 percent higher than standard industry pressure for 9mm Luger.

In testing for reliability, we ran the M1152 through an array of pistols including a Sig P320, Sig P229, Beretta 92, Diamondback DB9 G4, Glock G19X, and S&W M&P M2.0. The number of jam sammiches observed across 290 rounds and six very different 9mm handguns= zero. Similarly, no squibs or hangfires were encountered, which is always a good thing.

 

[Golddollar]

Would this variety of 9mm Luger ammunition be safe for use in an early WWII vintage Luger?

 

[alwslate]

I have two WWII Lugers and I only shoot ammo in them that I know from chronographing to be mild. The reason is that they will cycle reliably with fairly low velocity 115 gr ammo that will not cycle other guns so I assume that their recoil springs have weakened with age People say Lugers need hot ammo to cycle reliably. Maybe if in new condition but mine aren't new and I don't want to break them.

 

[surfgun]

A properly sprung Luger was designed originally for warm ammunition.
The Walther P-38 prefers weaker loads or the pistol will wear quickly. The Germans did not expect a P-38 to last more than a few thousand rounds without a major rebuild.

 

[stansdds]

Would this variety of 9mm Luger ammunition be safe for use in an early WWII vintage Luger?

Given the age of these war trophys and their current value, I would not use +P and certainly not +P+ ammo. The M1152 round is a hot one, it's velocity is very similar to the old Federal 9BPLE, which was a 115 grain JHP at +P+ pressure.

 

[reddog81]

In that case it should be a pretty safe bet for you to take.

Of course pretty much all ammo has been nearly unobtanium for a year.

I was hoping the ammo would drop to $50 for a box and then you could just have 2 boxes mailed to me.

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[reddog81]

Here's a link to 100 rounds for $39.95. 2 boxes of those would do just fine.

100 Round Box - 9mm Luger 115 Grain Flat Nose FMJ Ball Winchester M1152 Active Duty Ammo - WIN9MHSC | SGAmmo.com

 

[Nevada Ed]

I will happily volunteer to shoot all of that NATO ammo in my $35 Hi Point. I bet it will handle it with aplomb!

MORE candy, please.

GI pistols love NATO ammo.

 

[Pisgah]

Is it just me? I think I'd take the one bit of advice that SIG had to give me on the matter, and ignore the garbled clutter of ill-informed stuff you get from asking in a forum.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

I have some.
Haven't shot any.
I may wait until I get my Henry Carbine.

 

[LVSteve]

Bit of thread revival here, I see.

Funny this should come up after just seeing some online tests of Winchester's Ready brand of 124 gr +P JHP ammo. That stuff says 1200 fps on the box, and I thought, "Yeah, right" while rolling my eyes. Turns out that is what testers are seeing out of a 4" barrel. One guy was seeing some rounds running over 1300 fps out of a 5" M&P. Juicy stuff.

 

[Fishinfool]

sounds a little like the .223 / 5.56 conundrum.

Mainly here to follow this thread to its conclusion...

Larry

 

[HKSmith]

Here's a link to 100 rounds for $39.95. 2 boxes of those would do just fine.

100 Round Box - 9mm Luger 115 Grain Flat Nose FMJ Ball Winchester M1152 Active Duty Ammo - WIN9MHSC | SGAmmo.com

Congratulations on winning the bet! I never had any doubts. I was at the range this AM and fired 35 rounds of M1152 through my SIG M18. Great gun and great ammo.

 

[waffles]

Glad to see this come back, and hope the other poster makes good on their end of the bet.

Also on the topic, I got to shoot a box of this through my 365XL. Still not a loading I'm seeking out but had no issues.

 

[murphydog]

On the flip side of this issue, I recently saw paperwork associated with one of the Sig M17 military turn-in pistols that stated it has heavy springs meant for full-power (M1152?) ammo. The implication was it may not function with lower power rounds.

 

[LVSteve]

On the flip side of this issue, I recently saw paperwork associated with one of the Sig M17 military turn-in pistols that stated it has heavy springs meant for full-power (M1152?) ammo. The implication was it may not function with lower power rounds.

I suspect those who only shoot cheap 115gr range ammo need not apply. A member here sold his Steyr GB because it wasn't reliable with underpowered 115gr range fodder. Military designed guns run best with 124gr of some type, NATO if you can get it. Horses for courses.

 

[pasound]

I have the M1152 115gr and M1153 147gr in my ammo storage. Both were case purchases from SGAmmo in 2021 and 2022. A review in American Rifleman, April 2019, stated both are loaded to 39,700 PSI. In my two 365XL's, the M1152 shoots about 4" low at 20yds, compared to standard 115gr 9mm. Easy to compensate for. Recoil and muzzle blast is sharp and bright. The M1153 is about 350fps slower, and shoots point of aim like most 115gr and 124gr do in those pistols. It has equal blast, but does not kick as hard (seemingly) as the M1152. I keep the M1153 loaded as my SD carry for each. I would not use either as an everyday target load, but both feed and eject fine. As of yet no one is making heavier springs for the 365XL. If I had a M11, P229 or P320, I'd use the Mil-spec ammo full time.