Wine Connoisseurs...I don't get it!

Would like to be there when you opened that to taste !!

My wife bought me a bottle of Dom Perignon for my 60th birthday a few years ago and we invited a few fiends to help enjoy the occasion ..


So, the fiends from Hell like Dom... Good to know, I guess.

Personally, I avoid fiends. But I think I encounter some, judging from how they drive on the expressway.

Just teasing. I know you meant friends. Didn't you? Eh?
 
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We have a liquor store that had a wine tasting once a month .. it became so popular you had to book 4 months in advance ..

You got to sample 4-5 quality wines for a small fee and of course listen to a buy spiel .. We are in an area of several good wineries ..

One started by a retired doctor that I had gone to .. all have wine tastings during the weekend ..

I want to try an Ice Wine .. when we travel up to upper state NY .. unfortunately with out my CC since NY has such draconian gun laws ....

A Washington winery or two make Eiswein, but it's hard to find. Maybe your specialty wine dealer can get it for you. I've seen it in half bottles, and pretty costly.

They do use Riesling grapes, but it won't taste like a real German Eiswein, as the slaty soil and microclimates are different.

You might contact Ch. Ste. Michelle or Columbia Crest or Quail Run and see if they offer that. Worth a try.
 
A Washington winery or two make Eiswein, but it's hard to find. Maybe your specialty wine dealer can get it for you. I've seen it in half bottles, and pretty costly.

They do use Riesling grapes, but it won't taste like a real German Eiswein, as the slaty soil and microclimates are different.

You might contact Ch. Ste. Michelle or Columbia Crest or Quail Run and see if they offer that. Worth a try.

I didn't know that Washington wineries made a Eiswein I have a friend who's not a fiends that lives in Seattle .. Will have to ask him about that when we talk next time ! Thanks for the info .. its an interesting way they make it and would love to try it .. I have heard it is rather expensive .. But like guns everything I like seems to be more expensive then I would like them to be !!
 
Wine list of Wines not to drink(link)

Here is a link to a Wine list for Those Who dont really know what Wines to avoid.

BumWine.com

Unfortunately I have had experience with a few of These in My younger years and I have to agree with most of the reviews.
 
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There is always the wino favorite drink, Ripple pear wine. I believe it was a favorite of Fred Sanford, who lovingly called it "Champipple". At that time it was 90 cents a bottle, which seems an awful lot to me!
 

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I haven't been able to drink wine for almost thirty-five years, and was never able to afford expensive bottles. I preferred big, tannic reds and crisp, dry whites. No doubt indicative of my devastating lack of sophistication, but I can't research the subject now.

Some of my patients used to joke that a connoisseur was someone who took it out of the bag first.

I was never quite that innocent of the subject.
 
I guess my taste isn't very broad. I like Llano Estacado (got it right that time) Chenin Blanc, St Clair's Chardonnay and a French wine called Vouvray. All are very similiar. Beware of cheap Vouvray; one of the importers brings in some really vile stuff.

Vouvray is a little village in the Loire valley. We went through it once, on our way to visit Fontevrault (modern spelling: Fontevraud). There is the remains of a huge abbey in Fonterault where are buried Henry II and Catherine of Aragon (The lion in winter), and their son, Richard, Coeur de Lion, also called in France simply Duc Richard.

Had a sobering experience there. We had to go through a little village church on the way to the abbey. There was a plaque on the wall listing all the village men who had been killed in France's wars. The list for 1914-1918 was sickeningly long. At the end was another list: 'otages fusilés': "hostages, shot'; some were women. It brought home to me the horror of having a war fought on your own country's soil.
 
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I guess my taste isn't very broad. I like Llano Estacado (got it right that time) Chenin Blanc, St Clair's Chardonnay and a French wine called Vouvray. All are very similiar. Beware of cheap Vouvray; one of the importers brings in some really vile stuff.

Vouvray is a little village in the Loire valley. We went through it once, on our way to visit Fontevrault (modern spelling: Fontevraud). There is the remains of a huge abbey in Fonterault where are buried Henry II and Catherine of Aragon (The lion in winter), and their son, Richard, Coeur de Lion, also called in France simply Duc Richard.


Had a sobering experience there. We had to go through a little village church on the way to the abbey. There was a plaque on the wall listing all the village men who had been killed in France's wars. The list for 1914-1918 was sickeningly long. At the en was another list: 'otages fusilés': "hostages, shot'; some were women. It brought home to me the horror of having a war fought on your own country's soil.

Colin-

That's fascinating ! I hadn't realized that they were buried in France. Do you know why? Why would the French consider Richard a duke instead of the British king? Did he hold a separate French dukedom?

I did see, "The Lion in Winter." Superb film.
 
My father had a small orchard in Suisun Valley in Northern California. Interspersed amongst the peach trees were some white wine grapes of a variety I do not remember. He sold the grapes to Christian Brothers Winery in the Napa Valley. I still remember the open semi-trailer sitting in the vineyard with the yellow jackets all over it. I know for a fact that a lot of them were crushed along with the grapes so in that case there was some protein in the wine.

I used to have a license to make home wine that was issued to be by the BATF. I actually had an agent visit me to issue the license. He was a very nice fellow who looked like he had just come off of the set of the untouchables. I have made wine from Zinfandel and Gamay Beaujolais grapes as well as Elderberry's, Plums and Watermelons. I have also made Meade from honey. All of it was good except the Watermelon Wine.

My wife and I used to go wine tasting around the Santa Clara and Napa Valleys. I never was one for the snob appeal of wine drinking. If we liked it and the price was right we would buy a case or two. One of our favourite wines we purchased in gallon jugs from a small winery on Hecker Pass Road in Gilroy. It was inexpensive and tasted great. Unfortunately we enjoyed drinking wine too much and had to give it up over 35 years ago. I still miss drinking wine but I do not miss the problems that occur when over indulging. Now we go thru a few bottles of wine a year strictly used for cooking. In the example I gave earlier when I was stationed at West Point where we poured the Gallo Wine if the French wine bottles we were instructed to do so by the people in charge. I will admit I was shocked that they would do this as I knew that Gallo was not what the officers thought they were drinking.
 
Here is a link to a Wine list for Those Who dont really know what Wines to avoid.

BumWine.com

Unfortunately I have had experience with a few of These in My younger years and I have to agree with most of the reviews.

wine list of skid row ..

I haven't had the displeasure of drinking any of them luckily ! When they cost less then a dollar a bottle I try to stay away from them ..
 
I suspect that this thread was begun by someone who doesn't know wine, so wants to encourage others who are afraid of it to ridicule it because they don't know it, either, and are intimidated by it, as they'd be intimidated by discussions of art or refined music, anthropology, archaeology, astrology, astronomy, poetry, etc.

The net effect may be that when students doing research on gun control come here, they see affirmation of the stereotype that gun owners are just rednecked good ol' boys. And that is the stereotype that our enemies want to prevail...

It will also make a very poor impression on educated, cultured adults who may be thinking of buying a gun and seeking instruction in its use.

If you might really want to learn about wine, there are classes, and magazines like, "Wine Spectator" help, although you need a background in wine to understand some of the articles and wines discussed.

Best is buying a basic book, like "Vintage" by Hugh Johnson or his other books. He's also published an annual pocket wine guide, as have others. Look at Barnes & Noble or other major booksellers, find a volume that meets your needs, and buy it.

Don't start out by buying the most expensive wines. You have to know wine before you can fully appreciate what gives them their reputations. Buy basic good brands like Robert Mondavi, Ch. Ste. Michelle (in Washington) and similar vintners. Columbia Crest is a best value maker. In Australia, the biggest names are the associated Penfold's and Lindeman's. Their famous Grange red costs about as much as Ch. Petrus from Pomerol, and that's saying something!

But most of their wine runs from maybe $8.00-$15.00. Try Bin 45 Cabernet and Bin 65 Chardonnay. The latter will not taste like Chardonnay grown in northern climes, but has its own unique appeal.

Some people will just never "get" wine. I have a longtime friend who is one of the most respected writers about custom knives. A French society of custom cutlers invited him and some US knifemakers to France to exchange ideas and to learn new things, and to enjoy meeting one another.

The hosts served some excellent meals, with sometimes very fine wines. My pal says they all remind him of cough syrup. I guess he has issues in his palate that preclude tasting the subtle aspects of wines.

As for bouquet, yes, it's there. I've opened some "big" reds and the aroma filled the room. One South African Pinotage was especially impressive that way, after my then-wife had refrigerated it. Red wine should not be chilled in most cases, just served at cool room temperature. After that Pinotage warmed a little, it settled down and was a good bottle.

I think it was Arik who mentioned "legs" in the glass. That tells you the glucose content, the "fatness" of the wine. You don't want that sign to be too thin.

Be very aware that imported wines often sit in the heat on docks in summer. Learn the signs of a bottle that may be ruined by that. American wines are less likely to be damaged in transit. (Of course, in France or Germany, the opposite is true.) Most grocers here do not understand wine or most other refined things. You need to do the research. Try to locate a good grocer or liquor store that has a knowledgeable wine staff. But when you learn, some really good buys are in grocery stores. I've bought a whole bottle of Columbia Crest chardonnay for what a single glass cost me in Red Lobster. And it was a good value at restaurant prices.

You won't learn much about bouquet or other wine traits by drinking Boone's Farm or MD 20/20. But get to know fine wines well, and you'll add a new, worthwhile dimension to your life.

Excellent comment ! I agree and another way to learn and to be able to enjoy a fine glass of wine or two is to join a wine club and have a wine party .. there are several different companies that usually cater to a certain country or region some strictly American and others only imported .. Sometimes though not always they offer wine below store prices which can then be bought by the bottle, 1/2 case or cases .. with prices lowering according to the amount bought .
 
From "Texas Star"

I suspect that this thread was begun by someone who doesn't know wine, so wants to encourage others who are afraid of it to ridicule it because they don't know it, either, and are intimidated by it, as they'd be intimidated by discussions of art or refined music, anthropology, archaeology, astrology, astronomy, poetry, etc.

Wow!!! You really went out of your way on this conspiracy theory. I don't give a rat's patootie if others have a keener interest in wines,opera or the tree frogs in South America.

Like I said in another post I satisfied my curiosity when I watched some shows on TV.I guess it will be my loss if I'm ever on Jeopardy and a category is "fine wines".
 
Well, when it comes to guns, I can't understand these gun snobs thinking Smith &Wesson or Colt are the only ones to own. Why an RG, an Arminus or a Keltec are just as good for shooting things. All this talk about craftsmanship and style is just over rated bull snuff. Why the only reason we own guns is to put holes in things from afar and to my mind, the cheaper I can get the job done the better....can't imagine why someone would spend thousands on an old S&W when that Keltec pokes holes for $300.......

Sound familiar....
 
Well, when it comes to guns, I can't understand these gun snobs thinking Smith &Wesson or Colt are the only ones to own. Why an RG, an Arminus or a Keltec are just as good for shooting things. All this talk about craftsmanship and style is just over rated bull snuff. Why the only reason we own guns is to put holes in things from afar and to my mind, the cheaper I can get the job done the better....can't imagine why someone would spend thousands on an old S&W when that Keltec pokes holes for $300.......

Sound familiar....

Heresy! ........stake and ***gots* ready for you! 😏

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late 13c., "bundle of twigs bound up," also ***ald, ***gald, from Old French ***ot "bundle of sticks" (13c.), of uncertain origin, probably from Italian ***gotto "bundle of sticks," diminutive of Vulgar Latin *facus, from Latin fascis "bundle of wood" (see fasces).

Especially used for burning heretics (emblematic of this from 1550s), so that phrase fire and ***got was used to indicate "punishment of a heretic." Heretics who recanted were required to wear an embroidered figure of a ***got on the sleeve as an emblem and reminder of what they deserved.
 
I have an interest in a local winery here as some of their fruit is grown on property I long term leased to them. We raise Chardonnay, Merlot, Syrah, Zinfandel and Tempranillo. Total production is about 2K cases a year.
Years ago as a young man in the beverage trade I was trained by a master sommelier in a restaurant where I worked in the basics of wine appreciation and service. Today, semi-retired I help out on an as needed basis working in the winery tasting room.
With the increased interest in small, locally produced wine we get a lot of noobs who are interested in learning to appreciate wine. They're often, for some reason, apprehensive. Worried that they won't taste the florid descriptions written in the tasting notes on the wine list. I tell them fear not and don't pay too much attention to that stuff. What tastes like "dark cherries" to me may taste like cigar ashes to you. The basics of how wine changes on the palate from start to finish, swirling and slurping and sniffing are the same for any alcholic beverage. A bourbon tasting is no different than a wine tasting. Knowing the basics aids appreciation.
There are many levels upon which wine can be appreciated and they are all valid. Drink what you like.
 
My granddad (Pop) used to make wine every season. I remember his "vineyard" which was a rusty barbwire fence along one side of a piece of land where my dad and I raised our 3-acres of tobacco every year. I used to sneak a few. Talk about sour grapes.

His wine room was a cool-temperature enclosed porch in his 40's farmhouse and he would have 10 or 15 jugs sitting on the floor with balloons on the tops. Dad told me that Pop's wine was done when the balloons went down.
 
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