Would you draw your weapon?

[amazingflapjack]

After seeing this individual interviewed on camera it is my opinion that he is a danger to himself and others, is mentally unbalanced, and should be under enforced observation/assessment for a minimum of 72 hours.

 

[Inusuit]

No, don't see this as a threat. Keep an eye on him and finish my business in the store.

 

[Muss Muggins]

No, don't see this as a threat. Keep an eye on him and finish my business in the store.

Just spitballin' here, but at what point do you decide that a person wearing orange jail scrubs and handcuffs asking for a ride is maybe a threat?

 

[oneounceload]

Exactly. What if he really WAS an escaped convict, possibly a violent one?

 

[InsideWaist]

Exactly. What if he really WAS an escaped convict, possibly a violent one?

He's violence is somewhat limited in cuffs.

 

[raljr1]

I always thought that the only reason to pull a gun was in cases of imminent danger. In those instances I would expect to be pulling the trigger, not threatening. This instance would not qualify, in my mind.

 

[Kiwi cop]

He's violence is somewhat limited in cuffs.

There is a rather famous court case in my country where a prisoner being transported with cuffs to the front (as can be clearly seen in the video) bludgeoned a fellow inmate he didn't like to death with the cuffs.

Handcuffs applied where movement is not restricted as much as physically possible are a weapon with the potential to cause death. I personally know two cops who on different occasions
ignored a supervisors directive to leave a violent prisoner in cuffs in the cell under constant monitoring because they wanted to be elsewhere (in the mealroom grabbing a coffee). Both were seriously assaulted when they went into the cell to try and remove the cuffs. One never returned to duty.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

No threat, no justifiable reason to use (or even imply the use of) deadly force. Call 911 and withdraw, preferably at the same time.

Glad the prankster didn't wind up dead.

Not so sure about "justifiable reason." Whatever weird situation ensued, it would be primarily the creation of the idiot who was dressed funny. He bears full responsibility for the results, since he intentionally created the situation. If he did it because he's stupid or crazy, his keeper might be partly responsible, assuming (unreasonably) that there was one assigned.

As a general rule, I, too, would be glad that he didn't end up dead. But if he did, could you imagine some scenarios deadly for others that might not occur? I haven't yet, but somebody will.

I do agree with your prescription for action, except that withdrawal comes before 911, and I doubt that you can perform both optimally at the same time.

 

[Walkingwolf]

Dumb, very dumb, but not a threat. I doubt charges will go far if he decides to fight them, what he did falls under the 1A.

 

[Rastoff]

What someone is wearing does not make them a threat. How they act is what makes them a threat.

There are only three reasons the gun leaves the holster:

1. To deal with a potentially life threatening threat.
2. To practice at the range.
3. To put away or do maintenance while at home.

 

[InsideWaist]

What someone is wearing does not make them a threat. How they act is what makes them a threat.

There are only three reasons the gun leaves the holster:

1. To deal with a potentially life threatening threat.
2. To practice at the range.
3. To put away or do maintenance while at home.

4. To put it next to you on a nightstand, endtable, or sink counter while in the shower (in a child-free or similar home)​

 

[31FordA]

I'd call it in and wait for uniforms to show up and deal with the goof. I would operate on the presumption that he is an escapee because of the cuffs. A guy in a jumpsuit could just be going to a party, but not too many people are going to cuff themselves and stop at a store.

I have noticed several responses that equate handcuffed with harmless, that is a big mistake. An individual cuffed in front without a transport belt to restrict arm movement is perfectly capable of killing you. Two colleagues were careless and had their handcuffed prisoner beat them senseless, steal one of their pistols, and drive off with their car. I can think of several other escapes in recent years that were similar. If anything handcuffs should be a really clear warning that the individual is a threat.

 

[AZretired]

I agree with the majority here and will heartily add my Hell No.

 

[Wise_A]

Just spitballin' here, but at what point do you decide that a person wearing orange jail scrubs and handcuffs asking for a ride is maybe a threat?

Ding-ding-ding.

I personally enjoyed the "but he's handcuffed" objections. Tell ya what--handcuff me, give me a ballpoint pen, and then let me show you how "unarmed" I am.

I believe I'd have had my hand on my pistol, but low-key, at the most. One, I don't know if this guy has friends. Two, I don't want to broadcast to a guy that I believe may be an escaped inmate that if he murders me, he gets a bonus gun to murder some deputies with.

Basically, I want to be as inconspicuous as possible. If I'm clear in back, then I can be more ready (hand on grip) than if I'm in the middle of a bunch of people (one of whom might get the silly idea to grab my gun, or my gun arm, which would escalate the situation to very nasty places I don't like to dwell on).

So--ready to shoot, not advertising the fact, and getting to a position of safety ASAP.

 

[PaulWVa]

No...

A concealed carry permit does not make you an LEO. As I told my wife when I told her I getting my permit and would be carrying. "I'm not looking for trouble, I'm not trying to stop crimes or out to enforce laws. I carry so that we can get home safely every night"

I would have left, called 911 from a safe distance and only drawn my gun if directly threatened with violence. I would help others if I could or really needed to step in but only in extreme circumstances.

 

[InsideWaist]

Tell ya what--handcuff me, give me a ballpoint pen, and then let me show you how "unarmed" I am.

Who do you think you are? John Wick?

 

[Neumann]

Dumb, very dumb, but not a threat. I doubt charges will go far if he decides to fight them, what he did falls under the 1A.

What he did falls in the category of "shouting fire in a crowded theater," per Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, in regard to limits on the First Amendment.

I recall another incident a few years ago, where a couple of YouTubers dressed in Arab robes, toting simulated RPG launchers. They were arrested without incident. Legally, it doesn't matter if weapons are real or not if used in a threatening manner. That said, "BB guns" (more likely, detail-accurate Airsoft guns) are not seen as a threat, after the event, by the liberal press.

I think there is a cure for stupidity, which these gents managed to avoid.

 

[TomkinsSP]

4. To put it next to you on a nightstand, endtable, or sink counter while in the shower (in a child-free or similar home)​

Since I don't wear my pants in the shower, it actually stays in the holster on the belt on the pants on the hook on the back of the bathroom door.

 

[Bradlpe]

Some bozo showed up at a local convenience store dressed in an orange jumpsuit marked inmate on the front and state penitentiary on the back, wearing jail flip-flops, and hand-cuffs, pretending to be an escaped inmate. He was hassling people for a ride. It ended up being a stupid YouTube stunt.

A unarmed customer was concerned for the safety of his 8 year old son. The customer put his son behind the counter in the store, went out bladed the bozo, put his hand on his hip like he had a gun (dangerous) and ordered him to the ground. The bozo complied. Others called 911.

Besides the bozo being lucky he didn't get shot or tazed, what's your opinion? If you were there as a civilian CHP, would you draw your weapon to hold someone that appeared to be an escaped convict?

Man's attempt at "YouTube stardom" falls flat

No
Ni one was in immediate danger of great bodily harm or death.
Cell phone is best weapon here - good thing it was used.


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[Rastoff]

4. To put it next to you on a nightstand, endtable, or sink counter while in the shower (in a child-free or similar home)​

I find it interesting that people are always trying to lengthen or complicate the simple list. No, this is covered by #3.