quneur
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I would have called 911 and told them someone has a gun at the carwash and potentially could rob the place. Police would come and arrest both of you. While at the station, you could have a discussion with him using bare fists.
Would you have said something?
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handejector
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I MIGHT have said in a loud voice-
"Sir, you forgot your gun laying there." as I pointed to it.
Then, everyone is aware of the situation. Everyone is looking at him or the gun, or both.
Now, you have five allies that at least silently agree he's an idiot.
Now, the manager can't ignore the situation.
If he had a lick of sense, he'd maintain control after that. If he did not, he's very stupid, and ya just can't fix stupid.
Then, you'd continue like this-
"Sir, you forgot your gun laying there." as I pointed to it.
Then, everyone is aware of the situation. Everyone is looking at him or the gun, or both.
Now, you have five allies that at least silently agree he's an idiot.
Now, the manager can't ignore the situation.
If he had a lick of sense, he'd maintain control after that. If he did not, he's very stupid, and ya just can't fix stupid.
Then, you'd continue like this-
Packard
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As long as there were no children near the gun, I'd keep quiet. If there were, I'd say, "Kids nearby. Maybe you want to put that thing somewhere out of their reach."
joeintexas
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Is that your gun or are you just happy to see me!
You did the right thing by not causing a confrontation, with both of you armed and having a previous situation it could have gotten ugly in a hurry. Sometimes cooler heads need to prevail.
You did the right thing by not causing a confrontation, with both of you armed and having a previous situation it could have gotten ugly in a hurry. Sometimes cooler heads need to prevail.
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feralmerril
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Actualy I wasnt armed, although when I do pack I carry the same gun as his. Another thing here, I always just carry my model 40 loose in my front pocket where his 640 was in a belt holster. I suspect he didnt want to leave it in the counsel in his truck going through the wash. I have carried either a snub hammer model 60 or the 40 for 40 years that way for this very reason. I never could see the need for a holster for a snub designed for the pocket. (conversly) I could never see why the companys put a hammer spur on them either. I only use the pocket holster to protect the gun if I leave it ratteling around in the truck counsel when I dont have it in my pocket. Why he didnt just take the gun out of the holster and put it in his pocket, leave the holster in the truck is beyond me. I have done that forever with no issues. Thats why I feel he wants to "advertise".
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longranger
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The sheep are eating the wolves !
sipowicz
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Gun owners need to keep other gun owners on their toes...it benefits all of us. I'm sure a simple, "hey, I carry too but you really should safeguard that thing" would not be out of line...
In Florida that would qualify for "improper exhibition of a firearm (a misdemeanor in the 1st degree)." Out of concern for him I would have informed him of that. It's probably pretty similar in Utah. Joe
jag312
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I guess I have to go into a little detail. I may not agree with all the laws pertaining to firearms in California, but it is not my job to debate the merits of the laws. I let the lawyers do that in a court of law in front of a judge.
If this incident occurred in California, there are four options in this case:
1. The subject has a concealed weapons permit but is displaying a loaded firearm in a public place. The key word is "concealed". Obviously the firearm wasn't concealed. This is a violation of the conditions of the issuance of the permit. The firearm and the permit would be returned to the issuing agency. The subject would then have to go to the issuing agency to discuss this incident, and a determination would be made for the return of the firearm and/or the permit.
2. The subject has a concealed weapons permit, but the loaded firearm is not a listed firearm on Section B of the permit. In California you can only carry the firearms specifically listed in Section B of the permit. If the loaded firearm is not listed, then he is in violation of the California Penal Code. The next time he sees the gun will be in court, and he will be known as the defendant.
3. The subject does not have a concealed weapons permit, is carrying a loaded firearm, and displaying the firearm in public. He is in violation of the California Penal Code, and he will be a defendant.
4. The subject does not have a concealed weapons permit, but is displaying an unloaded firearm in public. There is no longer open carry of an unloaded firearm permitted in California. He is in violation of the California Penal Code, and he will be a defendant.
Again, I don't agree with all the firearms laws in California. Some of them are just plain silly, but I am not paid to determine the merits of the laws. It is not my job to determine if anyone in violation will be prosecuted. That's the job of the District Attorney's Office. I would not be justifying my pay check if I chose to ignore the laws that I disagree with, and I sure don't want to ever be in front of a review board explaining why I chose to ignore an incident like this.
I was told many years go that we have the freedom to do whatever we want, but there are consequences for the choices we make. If this incident had occurred in California, there would have been consequences for the choices that this subject had made.
If this incident occurred in California, there are four options in this case:
1. The subject has a concealed weapons permit but is displaying a loaded firearm in a public place. The key word is "concealed". Obviously the firearm wasn't concealed. This is a violation of the conditions of the issuance of the permit. The firearm and the permit would be returned to the issuing agency. The subject would then have to go to the issuing agency to discuss this incident, and a determination would be made for the return of the firearm and/or the permit.
2. The subject has a concealed weapons permit, but the loaded firearm is not a listed firearm on Section B of the permit. In California you can only carry the firearms specifically listed in Section B of the permit. If the loaded firearm is not listed, then he is in violation of the California Penal Code. The next time he sees the gun will be in court, and he will be known as the defendant.
3. The subject does not have a concealed weapons permit, is carrying a loaded firearm, and displaying the firearm in public. He is in violation of the California Penal Code, and he will be a defendant.
4. The subject does not have a concealed weapons permit, but is displaying an unloaded firearm in public. There is no longer open carry of an unloaded firearm permitted in California. He is in violation of the California Penal Code, and he will be a defendant.
Again, I don't agree with all the firearms laws in California. Some of them are just plain silly, but I am not paid to determine the merits of the laws. It is not my job to determine if anyone in violation will be prosecuted. That's the job of the District Attorney's Office. I would not be justifying my pay check if I chose to ignore the laws that I disagree with, and I sure don't want to ever be in front of a review board explaining why I chose to ignore an incident like this.
I was told many years go that we have the freedom to do whatever we want, but there are consequences for the choices we make. If this incident had occurred in California, there would have been consequences for the choices that this subject had made.
I'd have pointed out to him that he forgot it, especially if he was getting as far from it as you said.
But I'm also the guy who has been known to sit down at the table of the overtly loud people at a restaurant and start eating their food figuring since they want me to hear their conversation, I might as well be sitting at their table.
But I'm also the guy who has been known to sit down at the table of the overtly loud people at a restaurant and start eating their food figuring since they want me to hear their conversation, I might as well be sitting at their table.
sipowicz
Member
Actually, freedom isn't doing anything you want...it's choosing to do what you ought to do...
Florida Guy
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Considering you had a previous history with this guy, I probably wouldn't have said anything to him.
I may have spoken to the manager though. He is the one to oversee this situation.
I may have spoken to the manager though. He is the one to oversee this situation.
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feralmerril
Absent Comrade
The manager and him are buddys. They must have bs`ed for ten minuets while the gun was on the bench alongside him. I guess we are wearing this thread out.
Black_Sheep
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I have no filter so I probably would have said something. It's one thing to leave a laptop, cell phone or a set of car keys laying around unattended in a public place. It's quite another thing to leave a loaded firearm laying around in a public place, especially with complete strangers nearby.
When I run my truck through the car wash I discretely remove my revolver from the console and slip it into a pocket...
When I run my truck through the car wash I discretely remove my revolver from the console and slip it into a pocket...
RightArm
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You could have picked up his weapon, shot him in the leg, then say, "Sorry, I didn't think people left guns lying around in public if they're loaded. My bad."
Just kidding....kind of.
Just kidding....kind of.
captorquewrench
Member
I suggested previously to overstep the manager and go to the owner. S/he needs to know that his manager is an idiot and what kind of idiocy the manager is allowing, and what kind of liability risk the manager is to the owner.
JcMack
Member
The only J I have left is a 36 like Ferals (bobbed hammer stags, but blued) . When I carry it it goes in a back pocket. If the guy was concerned about leaving it in his car he should have stuck it in a pocket. He is an idiot. His mom didn't give him enough attention when he was a kid so he's looking for it now.
