would you pay $450 for this 17-2? - - - bought it! thanks to all for the help :)

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Hi all,

I am looking at purchasing a 1966 (K702XXX) 17-2 with nice diamond targets. The thing is it has had its barrel chopped to 4" long ago. It looks to have been done well and I guess I can replace the barrel down the track (if I can ever find one that is!). There is a pic below. It will only ever be a shooter and the short barrel is growing on me. Is it worth $450??

Model 17s do not come up for sale often in Australia. We really only see 617s and the occasional 17. When they do come up for sale they are priced around the $800-$1200 mark.

Let me know what you guys think :)

Mike

 
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Mike,

Personally? I would jump on it. The fact that they do not show up often due to your location, makes it a fair deal. That, and the Diamond Target grips. The grips alone probably make up a 1/4th of the guns value.

Murphy2000
 
I'd probably buy it as the grips alone are worth about $150 in the USA in good condition.
 
ok...thats a pretty definite YES vote there!

I guess I better buy it then before someone else does!

Thanks for the input!

Mike
 
ok.....so after about 30 minutes of "JUST DO IT" replys from you guys I bought the gun......now I just have to wait for the permit (currently around 4 months here in Queensland, AUS)

Thanks for helping me make the decision! I would still be procrastinating otherwise even though I knew I wanted it!

Cheers

Mike
 
lol..yeah the Qld Weapons Licensing Branch changed their computer system and had a backlog...they say that it is being caught up...I think they are onto January now. Hope they catch up and get it back to the 7 - 14 day turn around they used to have!
 
If we were neighbors I would ask if you want to go shooting this weekend!!! Sweet deal on a chopper!!!
 
Thanks lads,

I am assured that Weapons Licensing has cleaned up their act and are now processing applications quicker...perhaps I will only need to wait 3 months :(
 
ok.....so after about 30 minutes of "JUST DO IT" replys from you guys I bought the gun......now I just have to wait for the permit (currently around 4 months here in Queensland, AUS)

Thanks for helping me make the decision! I would still be procrastinating otherwise even though I knew I wanted it!

Cheers

Mike

Good move mate! That to me is one of those "buy it now and think about it later moments. I prefer the 4" any day anyway.

Four month wait! We yanks all heard that handguns were confiscated awhile back. Did the laws improve (and I mean relatively) since then?
 
Thanks everyone,

I think it was a smart move now too..lol

Jim, things were rough a few years back when the government (in a knee-jerk reaction to a mass murder in Tasmania where 35 were killed and 21 injured in a half hour period) banned all military style, high capacity & semi auto long arms and high calibre, high capacity handguns. I still dont understand the reasoning. You can kill as many people with 10 round mags as you can with 30 round mags...you just need more of them. The military style ban was also strange....now you cant own an M1 Carbine or some "pray and spray" but you can have a .338 Lapua with a 32 x 60 scope and thermos that can kill from 2 kms????

Prior to this anyone over 17 could walk up to the counter in a gunshop, pick out a rifle, hand over the cash and walk out the door with it. We had never had a need to limit access to long guns before. Pistols had always been licensed but now if you want anything large than a .38 you had to have sign off from your club.

After the Port Arthur Massacre ( the reason for the ban) the government introduced a new licensing law and a gun buy-back scheme for anyone who couldn't be bothered getting a license to own a daisy air rifle or single shot .22, AK47, etc .

The pistol laws are not much tighter now than when I first started in the Brisbane Area Army Pistol Club back in the 80s. Just the calibre restrictions. We always had to be in a pistol club, we always needed to do a specified number of club competition shoots per year. The only other thing that changes was the progressive access to handguns. You can only have one in your first year of being licensed...after the first year you can have as many as you can justify having. ...oh yeah I can't legally collect post 1947 handguns here without a special permit....every S & W I own has to be for comp use. That doesn't apply to my old Victorys and 1917s, etc..they are collectable and on a seperate license

The biggest problem with the buy-back scheme was that there were $$ values put on everything icluding old auto slides, barrels an revolver barrels, hence it is IMPOSSIBLE in Australia to find spare parts for early handguns...boxes and boxes of barrels were sold to the government by gunsmiths for perhaps $100 each barrel....why wouldn't you sell them! To make matters worse it is virtually impossible to buy a barrel from the USA...no one wants to export second hand barrels and have to go through the State Dept stuff :(

Anyway...sorry for the long rant.....its frustrating when a law abiding citizen trying to pursue a lawful hobby, collecting these beautifully made precision instruments is hindered by laws made in response to one-off tragedies by flacid governments, bending to the will of a few self righteous xenophobes who are scared of their own shadows.

Cheers

Mike
 
Sir that last post ought to be a "sticky" at the top of the page under the heading 'Why should I join the NRA?"

GF
 
S&W Aussie I am relieved to hear about the situation in Australia, restrictive as it may be.
I belong to a music forum and months ago got into a bit of a debate with an Australian fellow who recognized my avatar for what it is and assured me that "they weren't gun people and the government had seen to it that all hand guns were outlawed. They were all bought up and anyone who didn't comply had them taken away."
 
A lot of people felt like their rights had been taken away when the new (now old) gun laws came in. I was one of them but looking at the situation now and before there is not a lot of difference if you shoot pistols -

I couldn't carry a handgun before and I can't now

I had to be a member of a pistol club before and I still do now

I had to do a certain number of comps a year before and I still do now

I could have .44mag before and I can now ( I just need sign-off from my club)

The largest calibre I can own is .45 (.460 is ok) - so what I don't need a .50!

I can't use a handgun for hunting now but I couldn't before either!

Although I can't own a handgun for personal protection, I don't need one for that. That was not a valid reason before the restrictions either - only club use. (of course they are still in my house in a locked safe with full speedloaders stored seperately but accessably if needed)

The restrictions and greatest change came with the buy back and restriction of semi auto/military style rifles & shotguns. You can still have semi auto rifles etc but you have to be able to demonstrate a need. Professonal shooters who do feal animal culling can own them, farmers who need them fo rthe same reaqson or livestock destruction can still own them. I can't own a pump action shotgun, but then again I don't need one.

I don't feel disadvantaged by the laws they have not changed much. There process may take longer with licensing and permits but whilst I can be impatient waiting for my new toy to get the permit I also know that I don't "need" the gun right away - I have plenty of others.

Mike :)
 
Mike,

Thanks very much for the update and I didn't consider it a rant. It's legitimate frustration!
All of us must keep two things in mind with regard to anti-gun laws:
1. They don't make sense but they aren't in place because they are supposed to make sense. They are in place because they are a means to an end; the not-so hidden agenda of the left for a subservient world populace that they can control and not fear. And useless laws are important to them for revenue production as an added bonus.
2. Only those ignorant of the above and clueless that they are being bamboozled believe that safety, in spite of all the statistics to the contrary, is the genuine motivation for attempts to disarm the public piecemeal!
 
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