Would you want that gun ?

Come on now, some of you blued steel and walnut folks can't have it both ways. Either it's got a soul or it doesn't. Isn't that why you hate Glocks, because they have no soul?

Seems what I'm seeing now is they're all just tools and none of them have a soul, which is what I've been saying all along. :)
 
A former coworker kept the revolver his wife used to commit suicide. His view was that it wasn't the gun's fault that the medical profession found no cure for her incessant migraines that drove her to suicide.
 
I have a Springfield Model 1873 Cavalry Carbine that was used by the 7th Cavalry at Wounded Knee. I have no idea how many people it killed, including unarmed women and children. I consider it to be an artifact of history.
 
I have a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 made before WWII, and wonder how many people might have been killed with it during the war. Since these guns were rebuilt from much older guns, who knows how many may have been killed by it all the way back to WWI. It doesn't bother me, a gun is designed to be an instrument of death; that is its ONLY real purpose.

They have no soul of their own, they are only instruments to achieve a particular end. I wouldn't not buy a gun based on knowing who had died from its use.
 
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I have a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 made before WWII, and wonder how many people might have been killed with it during the war. Since these guns were rebuilt from much older guns, who knows how many may have been killed by it all the way back to WWI. It doesn't bother me, a gun is designed to be an instrument of death; that is its ONLY real purpose.

They have no soul of their own, they are only instruments to achieve a particular end. I wouldn't not buy a gun based on knowing who had died from its use.
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Most 91/30s were new production in the Soviet Union. The exceptions may be some Finnish 91/30s built during WWII that may well have been built on older receivers. The Finns recycled many M91 receivers to build a laundry list of different rifles from the 1920s onward. Below is a picture of a Finnish M91 that was rebuilt at least once on a US made receiver. It likely served in the Russian Imperial army, maybe on both sides during the Finnish revolution and has Civil Guard stamps from two different districts. After that the Finns got into it with the USSR in 1939. One can only guess how many hands it's been through.

I've got a safe full of stuff from that definitely dates to WWI, WWII, The Winter War, with several other items that could well have seen action in Korea, various mid-East conflicts and even the border clashes between India and Pakistan. It bothers me not what the previous owners did with them.

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an acquaintance of mine had a gun stolen from his truck and finally, after several years, he got a call from the police they had recovered his gun. He took it back and told the police not to tell him if it killed anyone. They weren't going to anyhow. It wouldn't bother me. Heck, the original owner who had this house built died here. No biggie, but Daisy Dog, every once in a while would get on the end of our couch and bark at a certain part of the ceiling. When she first started it, maybe 12 1/2 years ago, I would say "Ghost! Get it! Get the ghost!" Then afterwards every time I'd say "Daisy get the ghost!" her hair would bristle and she'd go to the same spot, look, sniff, then start freaking out on the spot and bark her butt off! But not all the time; sometimes she'd go & look, then sit back down. She's too old now as far as being able to get up like she did but she'll look. Creepy.
 
One of the first crime scenes I attended after accepting sworn status (after 7 plus years non-sworn) was a local farmer who had been diagnosed with cancer. They opened him up for surgery and sewed him back up again as it has spread too far. He took his .22 rabbit rifle outside, sat on the concrete patio and shot himself in the head.

About 2 years later I was offered a nice Beretta 12 gauge side by side by a local dealer for a price I just could not turn down. After I completed the transaction the dealer told me it had been that farmers other firearm, the one I had taken that day and given into the dealers custody.
 
Those of you who would never own a gun with "bad ju-ju":
Any gun, knife, hammer, axe, that you buy could possibly been used in some dastardly undetected crime. But as long as you have no personal knowledge of this, you're fine with it? Sort of an "ignorance is bliss" approach?

Buy every tool factory new if you want a guarantee that it is untainted.
 
It depends on the circumstances wrapped around the gun in question. Like Jack Flash I have owned and do own used firearms that I don't know their inner secrets but I have owned one and currently have one that I know were fired in anger in Germany and Greece in the ETO. Those don't bother me.

I have a long time dear friend that is a member here and a gun accumulator.

A good while back his son took his life with one of the dad's nice pistols. He wanted it gone as it would be a fresh reminder conjuring up painful questions and thoughts of that horrible event. I, too, fall into that camp.

He got rid of the offending pistol and in time stated shooting his other firearms again.

In review I reckon it is all about how personal and painful the gun's history is or isn't.
 
I'll admit that known suicide guns kind of give me the creeps. I think they remind me of the mental torment the previous user went thru prior to their last use. Never knowingly bought one.

By the same token, in 30 years as a LEO, I was involved in one fatal use of force. After a short period, the same gun was returned to me, and I continued to carry it as a duty weapon. I often thought about the incident, but never felt any negative feelings about the gun, other than I was glad it did the job at the time it was needed.

Larry
 
I have read disclosure is required when selling a house if someone has been murdered in. Yes, nobody seems to bothered when buying milsurps used against us-war trophies, anyone?
 
Personally I would not want a gun used in a murder or suicide - but that's just me. Even though the guns have been "cleared" for resale, a "murder weapon" status could always come up if the gun was run - and while eventually the whole story would come out, who needs the hassle, expense and possible annoyance.

It has always been my contention there are enough clean guns out there that I don't need a one with a tainted history. Again, just my own standards. YMMV
 
I own an ex KSP 1076 that a Trooper used on a shotgun welding attacker. A local officer on the scene at the time was years later working at the LGS where the same gun was for sale. He only told me the story after we finished negotiating and I agreed to buy it. Turns out Shotgun guy didn't make it long enough for the ambulance to arrive that night.

I hold that gun in high regard, for saving the officers life.
 

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