Thanks again fellas for all these good tips...I have to admit dropping the ball again. When I said I used the cleaner and glue there is some of the problem...after this thread and talking to a few pro's I realize that "cleaner" is one thing "primer" is another. I believed that the "cleaner" was the same or equal to clear primer. It is not, they are definitely two different chemicals that do different things. Cleaner is just that, it cleans the pipe. Primer still should be used and then the glue. Sanding or roughing up the pipe and connector is just as important. When I did all four {clean, sand, prime and glue with a twist} on the last several pipes I had to assemble I had zero leaks. It is nice to know exactly how to do something correctly, now if I could just hit the dead center bullseye with my 629 every shot....Thanks again guys.