Your SW 9mm Tack Driver?

[HEADKNOCKER]

My S&W 9mm Tack Driver is my 4" Model 547..
I've got four S&W 9mms & only one is an Auto..
Gary/Hk
S&W Model 547 9mm

 

[Denver Dick]

Oh, gee, I don't know. Maybe my 6906, 5903, 915 or my new 3913TSW pre-rail. What do you think? Actually, if I do my part, all my S&W 9mm 3rd generation pistols shoot great. Now cut me a break here, these 57 year old, bifocal wearing, glaucoma suffering eyes ain't what they use to be. Now, if I had those 18 year old eyes I had in basic training, I could really tighten those groups up.

 

[JoeHatley]

952 that is incredible. It's favorite ammo is CCI Blazer. It simply carves the X ring to pieces all day long!

I've had the same results. This is 6 mags, rapid fire, CCI Blaser, at either 50' or 75' (it been too long ago).

If we are excluding Performance Center guns, my vote would be for the 639 (it's my only other S&W 9mmm)

The original barrel bushing was pretty loose, but a replacement bushing from S&W tighted things up. It's acually a pretty good shooter.

Joe

 

[JamesArthur60]

Does a Walther qualify? For me, it's my P99.

 

[PX15]

JMOfartO:

I'm a big fan of the 3rd gen Smith pistol, but I've got to admit I've never had one that was a "tack driver"..

I have 3 HK P7's that are "tack drivers", and I had a Walther P99c/AS that was pretty close, but none of my 3gS's are that accurate.

Having said that, the difference between the accuracy of my P7's vs the 3gS's is that at self defense range (the only distance this old fart shoots from anymore) the HK's (if I do my part) will constantly shoot very small groups in the X ring.. My 3gS's will shoot larger groups, still in the X ring.

So, for personal defense concerns ALL of my 3gS's will do the job, but for casual target plinking and a search for the smallest group, the HK P7 is factually more accurate..

MY primary concern in a self defense weapon is reliability.. I consider 3gS's as reliable as a firearm can be..

I plink with my HK's, I carry my CS9, what does that tell you?

Just personal opinion.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[conn ak]

Huh? You're a big fan of 3rd Gens you can't shoot well?

 

[PX15]

Originally posted by conn ak:
Huh? You're a big fan of 3rd Gens you can't shoot well?

conn:

Yep.

I've owned firearms for over 50 years and I have been a reasonably good marksman in times past, and a fairly good marksman now.. But I'm not a liar, and if you think the average 3rd generation Smith pistol is the equal in inherent accuracy to the HK P7 then I respectfully suggest you have never fired the HK P7.

I mentioned that the difference between the 3gS pistols and the more accurate P7's, or P99c/AS was in the diameter of the group WITHIN the X ring. I DID NOT say the 3rd gen Smiths were inaccurate, only less accurate than some of the competition. And that difference was minute enough to be of absolutely no consequence when fired for personal self defense at self defense range.

I suggest the increased blood pressure, adrenalin rush and other factors associated with a confrontation involving firearms would make the difference in "tack driving" accuracy and "reasonable accuracy" a moot point. In such circumstances RELIABILITY is much more important than pin-point accuracy, and in RELIABILITY the fine 3rd generation pisol is 2nd to none.

So, I carry a 3gS because I have complete faith in it's inherent RELIABILITY, very good accuracy, and I prefer the TDA trigger over that of the competition.

So, the answer is YES I do favor the 3rd gen Smith pistol for personal defense even though I do not chose to use it when I'm at the range trying to shoot the tightest groups.

OK?

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[conn ak]

Originally posted by PX15:

Originally posted by conn ak:
Huh? You're a big fan of 3rd Gens you can't shoot well?

conn:

Yep.

I've owned firearms for over 50 years and I have been a reasonably good marksman in times past, and a fairly good marksman now.. But I'm not a liar, and if you think the average 3rd generation Smith pistol is the equal in inherent accuracy to the HK P7 then I respectfully suggest you have never fired the HK P7.

I mentioned that the difference between the 3gS pistols and the more accurate P7's, or P99c/AS was in the diameter of the group WITHIN the X ring. I DID NOT say the 3rd gen Smiths were inaccurate, only less accurate than some of the competition. And that difference was minute enough to be of absolutely no consequence when fired for personal self defense at self defense range.

I suggest the increased blood pressure, adrenalin rush and other factors associated with a confrontation involving firearms would make the difference in "tack driving" accuracy and "reasonable accuracy" a moot point. In such circumstances RELIABILITY is much more important than pin-point accuracy, and in RELIABILITY the fine 3rd generation pisol is 2nd to none.

So, I carry a 3gS because I have complete faith in it's inherent RELIABILITY, very good accuracy, and I prefer the TDA trigger over that of the competition.

So, the answer is YES I do favor the 3rd gen Smith pistol for personal defense even though I do not chose to use it when I'm at the range trying to shoot the tightest groups.

OK?

Best Wishes,

Jesse

You're respectfully correct, Jeese, I've never fired a HK P7. Shot darn near everything else. The most accurate handgun I've ever owned in 49 years is a S&W M639. I understand what you are saying. I own 2 Sigmas and like them. I would not, however, use either if I were shooting for money.

 

[PX15]

Originally posted by conn I own 2 Sigmas and like them. I would not, however, use either if I were shooting for money.

conn:

The photo below is of the first 8 rounds fired through my first HK P7. I had never fired a "squeezecocker" before, and I only shot from 7 yards, standing, two hands (and actually braced on my wife's golf cart frame for stability). I was only shooting to determine poi/poa to see what adjustments to windage/elevation would be necessary.

I was pretty amazed when the first round impacted in the X ring, as I'm a senior citizen with declining vision, and less than steady hands. I'm just an average marksman too.. I was more amazed when all of the other rounds also impacted in the X ring..

I've shot a lot of guns, and none have ever been more inherently accurate than my HK P7. I was so impressed shortly thereafter I bought two more "A" grade (CDNN) HK P7's, and both shot just as accurately as the first.

As you can see from the photo if I wanted to improve the grouping I could just drift the rear sight slightly to the right, and I think the size of the group would tighten up, but I just left the sucker alone. (I'm a "lefty" by the way.)

FWIW I was shooting the cheap Winchester White Box Value pack rounds which are NOT necessarily the most accurate 9mm's in the world. I've found my 115gn "DoubleTap" jhps are consistently more accurate, but I can't afford to just plink, or target shoot, with those suckers, too costly..

The first thing I do when I buy a new pistol is take it out back to my "range" and shoot it from 7 yards in the same manner as I did the P7's.. The accuracy of the P7 is the standard by which I measure each new firearm, and while I always HOPE for fantastic accuracy in a new pistol, I've yet to find one better than the Lower Saxony Police (surplus) P7's I got from CDNN.

My 3913 didn't do it.. My 3913LS didn't do it. My 5906 didn't do it.. My 6906 didn't do it, nor did my CS9.

So, I'm thinking while the 3gSmiths are wonderful firearms, fantastic accuracy right out of the box is not necessarily guaranteed.. Or the 5 I have didn't have it.

All were certainly accurate enough, that's why I keep buying 'em, and in fact hope shortly to have a CS45.

I apologize for being a bit "testy" in my earlier post.. Hey, I'm old and cranky, cut me some slack.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[conn ak]

If you don't mind....how much for that HK? Thanks.

 

[PX15]

Originally posted by conn ak:
If you don't mind....how much for that HK? Thanks.

conn:

Don't mind at all. In fact I bought three, all "A" grades. Two came in "like new" condition", one was NIB.

Fantastic pistols.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[conn ak]

I can't believe I've never known anyone to own one of these nor have I ever seen one. Very sleek looking guns. They obviously shoot well.

 

[HEADKNOCKER]

Fixed barrel, polygonal rifling, fluted chamber, gas retarded slide, simple easy to use controls, Smooth Light Single action Style Trigger Pull, Built in Hand Warmer Too

They get HOT when more than a few magazines get fired threw them, has to do with the gas piston beneath the barrel that retards the slide.
The P7s are great pistols but a bit heavy to carry when spoiled by lightweight 3rd generation aluminum framed compacts or AirLite/AirWeight Revolvers.
They are Very Flat & carry very well.
I used to have a P7M8 & it was extreamly accurate to say the least..
Laserlips it's Me Beretta92 from PCT
Gary

Also I doubt the P7 shoots any better than my 4" 9mm S&W Model 547 revolver, Don't think it's possible..

My 4 9mm S&Ws

3913NL 940 940 547

 

[tl@chippewa]

My M&P is sitting @ the factory as of right now. It blew up shooting 115 gr, federal ammo. S&W claims it isn't a warranty issue,is not interested in finding out why the slide split across 85% of it's length, and 3 inches down the frame. But they will offer me a reduced rate of $300 for a new one. The warranty center tod me S&W would be in touch with the ammo mfg. and they would replace it for me free if the ammo company wouldn't.
anyone else have or heard of this happening before?

 

[TAC]

Originally posted by tl@chippewa:
My M&P is sitting @ the factory as of right now. It blew up shooting 115 gr, federal ammo. S&W claims it isn't a warranty issue,is not interested in finding out why the slide split across 85% of it's length, and 3 inches down the frame. But they will offer me a reduced rate of $300 for a new one. The warranty center tod me S&W would be in touch with the ammo mfg. and they would replace it for me free if the ammo company wouldn't.
anyone else have or heard of this happening before?

That doesn't sound like a response from Smith & Wesson. How about some pictures? You know what they say..."If you don't have pictures, it didn't happen!"

You don't work for Glock do you?

 

[PX15]

FWIW:

Well, I hate to say it, but if I'm looking for very, very good accuracy I don't have a single S&W pistol that fits the bill. (And I have a 3913/3913LS/5906/6906/CS9/CS45).

My Walther P99c/AS or any of my 3 HK P7's are absolutely more accurate than any of my Smiths..

Having said that, my large caliber cc choice is my CS45.

And, ALL of my 3rd gen Smiths are more than self defense accurate.

No offense, but it's de trut'..

Jesse

 

[TAC]

Originally posted by PX15:My Walther P99c/AS or any of my 3 HK P7's are absolutely more accurate than any of my Smiths..

Jesse

Of course it may just be that those are the guns that 'you' shoot better with.

Let's face it, all guns have a straight barrel, and I never saw a gun that shoots a crooked or curved bullet path. I think the shooter, and what they are most comfortable with, contributes a lot more to the accuracy equation, than the gun itself.

 

[PX15]

Originally posted by TAC:
..

Jesse

Of course it may just be that those are the guns that 'you' shoot better with.

Let's face it, all guns have a straight barrel, and I never saw a gun that shoots a crooked or curved bullet path. .[/QUOTE]


TAC:

Absolutely.. But all I have to go by is how they shoot for me. I know when I bought my first 3rd gen Smith (3913) around 14yrs ago it was slightly less accurate at self defense range as my Sig P239 & Glock 26 when I shot them head to head. The Sig and the Glock were roughly the same in accuracy, for me.

I do think there's more to accuracy in any given firearm than a "straight barrel", as even the quality of the crown of the barrel can make a definite difference in accuracy.

Please don't think I'm "down" on Smiths, because I have 6 3rd gen pistols + one CT equipped 638 and a 49 bodyguard..

I chose to cc my CS45 not because I think it's deadly accurate but because in over 14 years of owning S&W pistols I've yet (knock on wood) to have a misfire of any type.

I chose to cc my Smith because I think it's as reliable as any pistol made by man can be, and absolute reliability trumps pin-point accuracy, for me, in a self defense firearm.

Add that to the fact that I'm an old fart who just likes "real" guns vs plastic guns...

No offense.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[TAC]

No offense taken Jesse. I'm not a big fan of 'Fantastic Plastic' myself, although I currently own a HK USP 45. And I'm probably an older fart than you!

I think I still do some of my best shooting with a Colt Trooper MKIII revolver!

Now that's offensive!

 

[sjmjax]

I have four S&W 9mm's to compare in my collection: 39-2, 59, M&P and 952-2.

It may be just me or some other anomaly but my consistantly best groups, regardless of ammo type, are with the 59. And, I don't even particularly like that gun as the grips are too square and bulky for my hands.

My 952-2 has been a disappointment relative to its cost. It just marginally outshoots the M&P or 39-2 in my hands. Tried a lot of different ammo types and even sent it back to the factory once. It just doesn't like me very much I guess.