Your thoughts on handguns and ammo in general.

Handgun calibers aside from 357 magnum and up, really just don't work. People actually think having to shoot a guy 10 times with a 9mm is super effective, when a .22 gets it done equally as fast. Equally as fast, because handgun bullets suck. You only carry a pistol because you can't conceal an 18" ar-15 with a full stock and optics.

They just try to fit as many of a bullet into the smallest gun they can that people are willing to shoot. Slow bullets are garbage and you just need to aim and flick your finger as fast as possible until your gun is empty, reload and repeat. 380 fits into smaller guns and has less recoil for a smaller gun. 30 super let's you fit a couple more bullets in what is likely to be a tiny carry gun. 9mm is super common and most affordable. 45 is cool and 45 ball ammo is actually rather effective, so you don't have to be a fancy pants with your ammo. 44 magnum or better will completely wreck any person you hit and probably wreck the little kid standing behind them, too. Older guns were weaker and so were their cartridges. How many .38, .36, .25, .32 cartridges are there that were each barely stronger than the last one, but could be fired in the fancy new space gun? 32 short, long, h&R, 327 magnum all just longer and more powerful versions of themselves. Different countries also made their own calibers for their own guns. Mexicans can't own "military calibers" so their 1911s are all in ,38 super. We had the 45 colt or acp, the Brits had 455 Webley. .25 and .32 are traditionally British calibers. America had at least half a dozen 36-38 police calibers and the 38 special was called a special because we didn't call anything a magnum yet. The most powerful handgun on earth was the .45 colt walker, which is as big and heavy as an X frame. It's a percussion revolver. It held that title until the 357 magnum came out in 1935, which held the title until 44 special was worked up, then made into the 44 magnum in 1955. For like 100 years, a cap and ball gun was the strongest until 357 came in. Those calibers were all on 3-4 pound guns!


TLDR;
Find THE gun that feels good, that you WILL carry, and that you shoot well. If the gun works and it works for you, that's all that matters. Shooting your target is pretty basic for a species that is the best at throwing anything with unimaginable accuracy for any other species to ever exist. Real men only carry magnum revolvers, anyway.
 
I'm not so sure the mouse calibers are being produced now anyway, thanks to everyone thinking they need a billion rounds of 9mm and .223/5.56. So if I understand the OP's point, gun and ammo production has already largely shifted away from those calibers to meet the other demand.

It's not the firearms companies that are creating artificial demand, it's the people selling fearporn on TV and the internet 24/7.
 
Is this worth discussing?

Not sure if we need a big discussion, there's plenty of things I'll never use/buy in general. Even just guns.

But the one thing I know for sure is that I love when American engineering and -manufacturing is alive and well, and that I appreciate the fact when people have choices. And that was two things :D
 
I think its mostly a matter of perspective and personal opinion.
I remember a time when all the info you got on guns came from the monthly gun magazines. Now we have the internet and millions of opinions to sift through.
For years the various internet commandos and self proclaimed "experts" have been preaching that carrying anything less than a hi-cap 9mm is equivalent to suicide. Unfortunately, that seems to have become the common thinking by many people. :rolleyes:

Speaking only for myself, I own guns in .25 acp, .32 acp and 380 auto. I have carried each of these calibers from time to time. Not once have I ever felt under gunned. The smaller calibers allow for better accuracy, faster recovery and a smaller package. They have very distinct advantages over the larger more mainstream calibers.
In fact, in the last couple of years, I've come to think that the little .32acp may well be a better choice than the .380.

As for the .30SC, I fear that cartridge was DOA. Neat idea, but it was introduced in the middle of a pandemic. Quite a bit of fuss when it first came out, but I've heard almost nothing more since the introduction. I've never seen a gun chambered for it or so much as a box of ammo. :rolleyes:

Anyway, IMHO, the older small calibers are far from useless or dead. ;)
 
I'm not necessarily talking about what was used 100yrs ago but rather what's available today. I'm not that familiar with long guns so can we stick to handguns?

On the upper end there seems to be more difference between calibers and their effectiveness. On the lower end it seems to be more of a marketing thing to sell more firearms.

Do we really need .25acp, .30super, .32acp and .380acp or are we just catering to the new and uneducated? Seems to me we'd have more ammo available if the brass wasn't used for what I consider unnecessary calibers.

Is this worth discussing?

Who are you to decide what calibers are unnecessary?
 
Right now we seem to be at the mercy of the ammo makers.
Some of their decisions like lots of 9mm make some sense.
Others like low production 38 Special don't.
Some fairly wide spread calibers like 25, 32 and 380 I never remember seeing that much. Suspect that in spite of there being many guns, not that much shooting.
40 would be the Wildcard. In spite of posts like why did S&W abandon it??
Continued to see it when there was almost no other handgun ammo on the shelves.
Have seen 45ACP and 380 lately.
But 44, 41, 357, 327?
What do you NYers say?
Forgitaboutit!
 
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I thought the specs on the .30 Super Carry looked familiar, so I pulled out the 1963 Gun Digest and found the table on handgun ammunition. It turns out the .30 Super Carry is almost a ballistic match for the 7.65 Luger cartridge. What's old is new again.
 

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