Please explain! 9mm revolvers!
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elvisimprsntr
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Cheap, plentiful 9mm rounds with similar ballistics?
bigwheelzip
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It's just another tool. Like a woodworker owning more than one hammer. One obvious benefit is lower ammo price, and better ammo availability. Gives 9mm bottom feeder owners, a wheelgun experience without stocking another caliber.
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I got rid of a couple 9mm Autos.(Have 1 left, 6906) That left me with a lot of loaded ammo and components.
I kind of like oddball guns and when I found a very nice 547-3'' I purchased it. It shoots very well/accurate. To me it balances much better than bottom feeders and its kick is a bit less.
I kind of like oddball guns and when I found a very nice 547-3'' I purchased it. It shoots very well/accurate. To me it balances much better than bottom feeders and its kick is a bit less.
THE PILGRIM
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Small rounds with a punch.
Available and relatively cheap ammo.
I don't have one, but I want one.
No moon clips!
I am not a Mooney!
Should have said- I want a J Frame.
Available and relatively cheap ammo.
I don't have one, but I want one.
No moon clips!
I am not a Mooney!
Should have said- I want a J Frame.
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cbore
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Only thing I see working for a 9mm revolver is the use of moon clips or full clips. Also cheap ammo. Don't own one or intend to, to each is own
Afternoon Wsmitty01
In my (personal) case it is__
_Commonality of ammo with my 9mm autos.
_Better variety of ammo available.
_Quicker/easier extraction due to the shorter tapered 9mm case.
_More power than the 38 special in a shorter case.
_Better bullet/round selection for some usages.
_Can shoot .380 if needed to.
_I just plain like the 9mm over the 38 special.
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Among my toy collection I have a 929 and a CZ Tactical Sport in 9mm. My daughter shoots a Beretta 92FS. So when we hit the range we can blow through a few hundred rounds quickly. 9mm is always on sale somewhere, usually around 20 cents a round. Just having some wheel and auto gun fun without the hassle of multiple calibers.
loeman
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I don't own one and never have! However, I'd really like to have one for the many reasons listed above.
Not long ago I saw a really nice Ruger Speed Six in 9mm at my LGS. I thought to myself, I'm going to buy this gun. Then I looked at the tag. IIRC the tag price was $1299. Guess it had something to do with a Turkish Military Contract....oh well. On my next visit to this store a few days later, it was gone.
Not long ago I saw a really nice Ruger Speed Six in 9mm at my LGS. I thought to myself, I'm going to buy this gun. Then I looked at the tag. IIRC the tag price was $1299. Guess it had something to do with a Turkish Military Contract....oh well. On my next visit to this store a few days later, it was gone.
flintsghost
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I own a 547 3" that is virtually unused NIB with a factory letter. It fits nicely in my 3" barrel collection but it is not for shooting. I do shoot 9mm but it is in semi auto pistols.
People should understand that the bullet diameter is not the same for all these cartridges being discussed. 9mm is of course .355. .38 Super is .356. The .38 Spec and .357 Mag are .357. While convertible revolvers have been made for some time, it is normal for them to use the barrel of the largest cartridge diameter in those. One cartridge or the other is not going to be very accurate. In a revolver dedicated to 9mm it would be just fine I'm sure. But in revolvers I prefer the the .38 and .357's. I shoot .45ACP in both revolvers and semi's. But I see no reason for a 9mm revolver at my house except as an interesting collector piece like a 547.
People should understand that the bullet diameter is not the same for all these cartridges being discussed. 9mm is of course .355. .38 Super is .356. The .38 Spec and .357 Mag are .357. While convertible revolvers have been made for some time, it is normal for them to use the barrel of the largest cartridge diameter in those. One cartridge or the other is not going to be very accurate. In a revolver dedicated to 9mm it would be just fine I'm sure. But in revolvers I prefer the the .38 and .357's. I shoot .45ACP in both revolvers and semi's. But I see no reason for a 9mm revolver at my house except as an interesting collector piece like a 547.
Pizza Bob
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And how, pray tell, do you intend to shoot rimless ammunition in a revolver without them? Sure, it'll work sometimes, but it's no fun going bang, click, click, bang, click, click.
If you think that you don’t need to use moon clips for rimless pistol calibers in a revolver – you’re wrong. You are correct in assuming the shoulder in the chamber is there for headspacing purposes. However, since SAAMI sets the specs for cartridge dimensions, the shoulder is placed at maximum case length depth for a given caliber. My experience has been that any factory ammo or brass, when new, is always considerably less than this dimension - meaning that, in reality, headspacing on that shoulder, by the case mouth, seldom actually occurs.
What does happen is that variances in chamber roundness, smoothness, cleanliness and other variables, will hold some cartridges firmly enough that a firing pin strike will ignite the primers. Others are driven forward in the chamber, which results in a light primer strike and a failure to ignite.
Just as some rounds are held tightly enough for ignition and others are driven forward, some cases may drop out of the cylinder from gravity, while others may be "pluckable" and yet others will have to be poked out using a rod.
You should consider moon clips essential for any revolver that is chambered for a rimless or semi-rimmed round. The other alternative is using the rimmed version of that round, if one exists.
The above, of course, does not apply to model 547's, Korths, single action revolvers and Charter Arms Pit Bulls.
OP: The 8-shot 9 mm revolver (model 929) is great for the gun gamers (IDPA, USPSA and Steel) and they have embraced it mightily. It allows non-reloaders to be competitive with all those guys shooting 627's with handloaded .38 Short or Long Colt cartridges.
We're still trying to figure out what the 986 is for. LOL.
Adios,
Pizza Bob
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A while back I had a SA Ruger convertible 9mm/38. No moon clips needed and it was equally accurate with either caliber at 50' distances using plated reloads.
I never shot it enough so I sold it to a customer to finance a different firearm.
I never shot it enough so I sold it to a customer to finance a different firearm.
pittpa
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I hope to chrono some 357 rounds out of a sub 2" barrelsoon and see what energy they make. I am certain that when compared to 9mm n a short revolver, some of the 9mm will meet or beat the 357. I'll include some 38 defensive rounds.
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I like my backup to match my primary. I have a reoccurring nightmare involving a broken primary full of ammo, and an empty J frame in a different caliber.
With that said if I am carrying my 92 Beretta, my back up is a Walther 9mm PPS. I don't really care for carrying moon clips.
With that said if I am carrying my 92 Beretta, my back up is a Walther 9mm PPS. I don't really care for carrying moon clips.
Wee Hooker
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To the OP's original point, I'd agree that the 38/357 has a greater range of power/performance than the 9mm. If I could only own one revolver, it would not be a 9mm. Fortunately, there's plenty of room in the safe for more than one revolver. Consequently, besides owning a nice collection of J,K, L and N framed 38s and 357s. I have added a 929 to the stable. Here is where I think the combination of 9mm in this revolver works:
- Shorter and rimless round rules in moonclips. No flopping around in the clip and they launch into chambered chambers. Makes for better loading than full length 38/357's in a moon clip . i.e. They just load slicker than goose poop.
-Ability to readily find, reload and shoot lighter bullets.
-Ability to load and accurately shoot lighter recoiling rounds than 38 (largely due to the smaller case size.)
- The gun is just cool! Owning/shooting something different it just fun sometimes. When it isn't, I'll flip the gun and get another 627pc.
- Shorter and rimless round rules in moonclips. No flopping around in the clip and they launch into chambered chambers. Makes for better loading than full length 38/357's in a moon clip . i.e. They just load slicker than goose poop.
-Ability to readily find, reload and shoot lighter bullets.
-Ability to load and accurately shoot lighter recoiling rounds than 38 (largely due to the smaller case size.)
- The gun is just cool! Owning/shooting something different it just fun sometimes. When it isn't, I'll flip the gun and get another 627pc.
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I'd love to see a 9mm revolver designed for the 9 from the start, i.e. A shorter cylinder to take advantage of the shorter 9mm round. Today's 9mm designs are converted 38 or 38/357 revolvers and the frame is longer than the 9mm needs. Same deal with 45 ACP revolvers. Put a 9mm round next to a 357 round, the length difference is how much shorter the frame could be.
Most people have struck on the advantage of the 9 mm. One more is that it is faster to reload do to the size of the case, about equal to the .38 short colt but available without having to use reloaded ammo. You can still get 9mm cheap.
Cal44
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I suppose argument can be made that 45 acp revolvers don't make sense either.
But 45 acp revolvers have been around for 100 years and are among the best target and competition guns available.
No reason 9mm revolvers can't be just as successful.
I have an LCR 9mm and I like the low cost practice ammo, choice of SD ammo, and the fast reloads due to moon clips.
But 45 acp revolvers have been around for 100 years and are among the best target and competition guns available.
No reason 9mm revolvers can't be just as successful.
I have an LCR 9mm and I like the low cost practice ammo, choice of SD ammo, and the fast reloads due to moon clips.
shotgun693
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My Son has a 9mm auto. I'd rather use a revolver. Having guns that used the same ammo seemed like a good idea. While looking for a revolver I came across two really nice M59, one from '74 and the other from '89, for $700. I got'm both. I still would like a 9 mm revolver.
Picked up a Ruger SP 101 in 9mm Revolver a few weeks ago, I think that loading and ejecting rounds much faster than a Speed loader, a bit heaver than a J frame but I have to say that the Ruger is built like a TANK. I am a Very big S&W guy but this gun is Super in my Book.
