How is this Mossberg Shockwave legal?

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The 590 Shockwave exists due to the best loophole. There exists a realm in American firearms law that allows for a non-NFA Mossberg 500 with 14-inchch barrel to exist. Without going into too deep into the why a Mossberg 590 that has never had a stock attached to it, and is longer than 26 inches is not considered a shotgun and considered a firearm. This puts the weapon’s legal definition as a firearm and not a shotgun. So barrel length isn’t an issue as long as the overall length is longer than 26 inches and it lacks a stock. ... From thearmsguide.com
 
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Maybe if you live in one of those Tiny Houses with a Tiny gun safe it would be a good fit for you. It can't be all that much fun to shoot more than once or twice, but by then I'd guess the situation would be resolved.
I had a friend with an old sawed-off 10 gauge side-by-side that ripped your wrist off, but it sure did a number on a close by target.
 
To confuse the matter some more, if young Tommy, on his 18th birthday, goes down to Joes Gun Shop to buy a Mossberg 500, that's fine, as it's a shotgun. But if he wants a Mossberg Cruiser, which has a pistol grip instead of a buttstock, he can't do it.

No buttstock means can't be fired from shoulder means NOT A SHOTGUN means he must be 21.

Now ain't that just plumb idiotic.
 
So, are there any actually available to purchase anywhere? I see lots of articles but nobody seems to have them in stock. Did they sell out or have they not been delivered to retail stores yet?
 
So, are there any actually available to purchase anywhere? I see lots of articles but nobody seems to have them in stock. Did they sell out or have they not been delivered to retail stores yet?

They probably just came out for SHOT, so I'm betting not just on shelves yet.

Shockwave does sell the PG separately. You could just take a PGO Mossy and put it on and trim the barrel down. The Shockwave PG is long enough to keep the OAL past 26". A conventional PG isn't long enough. You'd just have to remember to start with a PGO and not something that ever had a stock on it.

I bought one of the Shockwave PG's back when they first came out. Regardless of utility, they are more comfortable to use than a conventional PG. Not as hard on the web of your hand and your wrist. You can also use the tang safety on the Mossy easier too.
 
This Mossberg has a really neat look to it. I have read the BATFE regs a few times prior and do not see how this is not an AOW. If it is legal, you would probably be well served to carry a copy of the determination letter around with the gun. I think most street cops will see the barrel less than 18" and call it SBS or AOW depending on their interpretation, and it may not be 50 states legal either.
 
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I'll bet a Police officer would just love to find
one in a car during a routine traffic violation.

Neat little piece. Would be an awesome "indoor sweeper"
with mild enough loads.

Somebody, somewhere, will
get detained. Legally or not. I'm betting......
Just my 2 cents worth.


Chuck
 
This Mossberg has a really neat look to it. I have read the BATFE regs a few times prior and do not see how this is not an AOW. If it is legal, you would probably be well served to carry a copy of the determination letter around with the gun. I think most street cops will see the barrel less than 18" and call it SBS or AOW depending on their interpretation, and it may not be 50 states legal either.

I agree..........
 
From Shockwave:

I get a lot of questions from customers about the “new” ATF ruling regarding pistol-grip-only (PGO) firearms with 14″ barrels that aren’t considered NFA items.

Well, first off, let me say, it’s not a new ruling. It’s the same position that ATF has always taken regarding PGO firearms that fire a fixed shotgun shell that have NEVER had a buttstock attached to them—they’re NOT shotguns! They’re simply firearms. As such, they don’t necessarily need to have 18″+ barrels on them to remain out of the purview of the NFA.

You see, the very definition of a “shotgun” requires that it be “designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder…” Without a buttstock ever having been fitted to the PGO firearms in question, they can’t be fired from the shoulder and are therefore not shotguns. Hence, with a 14″ barrel, they can’t be considered short-barreled shotguns, as they aren’t shotguns to begin with. Read the full definition of a shotgun here.

With all that as an explanation,,then why wouldn't BATF allow the 'Judge' in 28ga that was shown at the SHOT Show a year or 2 ago to be sold on the market, but instead the BATF ordered it pulled from commercial sales.
It's a PGO firearm,,it can't be fired from the shoulder as a butt stock was never designed nor fitted to the gun and they fire fixed shotgun shell.
(The 410 Judge gets a pass cause it also chambers and fires the 45Colt and is rifled)

If never having a butt stock fitted to the gun by the factory, firing a fixed shotgun shell and having short bbls (less than 18"in length) simply put the gun under a 'firearm(?)' classification (outside of NFA rules),,then Ithaca Auto&Burglar guns both Flues and NID models should be legal to own w/o NFA registration,,but they are not.
Remington Model 17P (Police) 20ga pump shotguns (14" bbl w/ pistol grip stock as mfg by Remington Arms Co commonly called the Whippet) should be legal to own w/o NFA registration,,but they are not.

Something is amiss. If it is truely mfg as a handgun, it is a smoothbore and that alone places it in NFA territory.

..and FWIW,, the BATF NFA manual currently states the bbl length/overall length thing as 'either/or' when refering to a weapon MADE FROM a rifle or a shotgun.
The OAL is less than 26" OR the bbl length is less than 16" (rifle) 18" (shotgun).

In NFA speak,,a 'Rifle' is a shoulder fired firearm w/a bbl less than 16"
A 'Shotgun' is a shoulder fired firearm w/a bbl less than 18".

The AOW (Any Other Weapon) is the catch-all for the rest of the firearms that don't neatly fall into the above.
H&R Handy Guns, Ithaca Auto&Burglar Guns, MArbles Game Getters, Remington M17 Police 'Whippet' Shotgun, Smoothbore revolvers, disguised guns like pen guns & lighter guns,ect.


Interesting though. I'd like to see how it was all sorted out.
 
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With all that as an explanation,,then why wouldn't BATF allow the 'Judge' in 28ga that was shown at the SHOT Show a year or 2 ago to be sold on the market, but instead the BATF ordered it pulled from commercial sales.
It's a PGO firearm,,it can't be fired from the shoulder as a butt stock was never designed nor fitted to the gun and they fire fixed shotgun shell.
(The 410 Judge gets a pass cause it also chambers and fires the 45Colt and is rifled).

The 28 gauge Judge wasn't 26" long, which appears to be mandatory for this type of "other".

The Mossberg isn't a handgun or a shotgun.
 
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This Mossberg has a really neat look to it. I have read the BATFE regs a few times prior and do not see how this is not an AOW. If it is legal, you would probably be well served to carry a copy of the determination letter around with the gun. I think most street cops will see the barrel less than 18" and call it SBS or AOW depending on their interpretation, and it may not be 50 states legal either.

Gotta believe Mossberg would include a copy of such a letter addressed to them from ATF explaining the status of the gun under Federal law. Do you really think the Shockwave would not be permissible in CA or NY!!?? :D

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P.S. A few years ago, there was a short-barrel AR-15 firearm mfg'd by Sig/Sauer (IIRC) with a "hand or arm support" or some such name masquerading as a stock. People were predicting ATF would come down on that item. Anyone know if they did?
 
P.S. A few years ago, there was a short-barrel AR-15 firearm mfg'd by Sig/Sauer (IIRC) with a "hand or arm support" or some such name masquerading as a stock. People were predicting ATF would come down on that item. Anyone know if they did?

Yes and no. At first ATF put out a letter stating it was ok to shoulder the MCX pistol with folding brace and then they changed their minds. They claimed that anyone shouldering this weapon was making a design change and that it would be considered a SBR. I got one of these almost 2 yrs ago and had it SBR'd by July that year not wanting any hassle if someone saw me shouldering it. In my opinion SBR's should be removed from NFA along with suppressors. Stupid laws, collecting tax money from those who would like to own such things. Criminals don't obey laws anyway.
 
The 590 Shockwave exists due to the best loophole. There exists a realm in American firearms law that allows for a non-NFA Mossberg 500 with 14-inchch barrel to exist. Without going into too deep into the why a Mossberg 590 that has never had a stock attached to it, and is longer than 26 inches is not considered a shotgun and considered a firearm. This puts the weapon’s legal definition as a firearm and not a shotgun. So barrel length isn’t an issue as long as the overall length is longer than 26 inches and it lacks a stock. ... From thearmsguide.com

Exactly. I have a Mossberg 500 Cruiser Breacher built and shipped with a pistol grip. I can order from Mossberg all the parts to convert and put on the 14" barrel and shorter mag tube, and it is 100% legal. The key is that, as stated above, it NEVER had a shoulder stock. Thus can't be a shotgun. Now, if I ever put a shoulder stock on it, even if I take it back off, it now becomes a shotgun forever. Legally speaking. Same argument as an AR pistol and you shoulder a Sig brace. Now a rifle forever, and you just committed a felony, because you "made" a Short Barreled Rifle, which you aren't licensed to manufacture, nor are you licensed to own.

From here The 14″ Mossberg 500 That ISN’T NFA! | Shockwave Technologies

"You see, the very definition of a “shotgun” requires that it be “designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder…” Without a buttstock ever having been fitted to the PGO firearms in question, they can’t be fired from the shoulder and are therefore not shotguns. Hence, with a 14″ barrel, they can’t be considered short-barreled shotguns, as they aren’t shotguns to begin with. Read the full definition of a shotgun here." The Shockwave Tech link above has links to the ATF letters and determinations.
 
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